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Palestine??? Really? What about Native Americans? Can we have our land back?

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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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The idea of Palestinians demanding it's own country, is akin to Native Americans rising up and demanding that the USA give back original Native American land and then wanting Alaska, Hawaii & Puerto Rico as well.
It is simply ridiculous.

As a Native American myself, I see truth and see things for what they are. Todays Palestinians are not the Palestinians of ancient times. Just as Israel of today are not the jews of ancient times.

In ancient times. Current Israel was split into 3 areas. The northern kingdom was Israel/Israelites, the southern kingdom, (including Jerusalem), was Judah/Jews. The Gaza strip partly in Egypt and partly in Judah was Palestinia, (those people are scattered throughout the world as the ancient Israelites are today, not ancient Judah/Jews).

Current Jews, Judah of old, have claimed entire Israel. But, current, (so called Palestinians), are terrorists and want a piece of Israel, Gaza, that is a dangerous and important safety concern for the entire land of Israel. If that piece of land were to be given to muslims, within a very short period of time every non-muslim person would be murdered and non-existent. Research and you will see why it is important for Israel to be.

If in fact Palestine EVER becomes a country, I as a Native American would expect that the United States government give Native American land back to my people. Just saying...in principle!




posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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I believe you have enough nations within the US that if one was well organized enough you could take it back, I mean its not like they don't already use everything about native americans, like your eagles and your signs and even language, Washington is just waiting for you to rescue it from itself...What say you???

I believe its time

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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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"is akin to Native Americans rising up and demanding that the USA give back original Native American land and then wanting Alaska, Hawaii & Puerto Rico as well. "


Yea well if you wanna go that far back , then we should find ways to communicate with the animals get them to stand up from the invasion you native americans brought !


Thats right all those species were there before you native americans! So technically your on borrowed land too !



Were all on stolen , borrowed land . as for palestine the history clearly shows israel chipping away at where they stand.

It would be as if the mexicans started chipping away at american land slowly but surley .

Nobody would stand for it

as fro the natives ... suck it up . you stole it from other species



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Current Jews, Judah of old, have claimed entire Israel. But, current, (so called Palestinians), are terrorists and want a piece of Israel, Gaza, that is a dangerous and important safety concern for the entire land of Israel. If that piece of land were to be given to muslims, within a very short period of time every non-muslim person would be murdered and non-existent. Research and you will see why it is important for Israel to be.


Saying all Palestinians are terrorists is the same as saying all aboriginals scalp people. The danger is in the way entire populations are painted with one brush and subsequently treated as such. By this logic you are also saying: if natives were given back North America, every non-native person would be murdered and non-existant.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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It's not that long ago, my great great grandfather was hunting buffalo in the plains; that's only 5 generations. Aboriginals have been here 15,000 years.

ETA: Stolen from other species? wtf is that supposed to mean? Sorry but natives lived in harmony with the animals and revered them.

Also by your logic, you cannot complain when your land is stolen and your people are oppressed.
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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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Great logic.
I once got kicked in the balls, so it is okay I suppose for others to kick people in the balls, the precedent was set.
Let's commit mass murder while we are at it, the precedent has been set.
Jeez.
We cannot undo the wrongs of the past by giving land back to dead people. We can change the present and the future.


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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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15,000 years thats it ?


Can we talk about how many extinct species have been gone longer then that ?


What about other species who were there far far longer then 15,000 years ?


How many species were the natives responsible for extinction ?

How many human diseases wiped out other species "?



regardless . They were there first , till these natives came along and thought they were also part of the animal kingdom haha but reality they are just another form of earths cancer
humans.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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you know this is one of the major reasons why they have built massive prison and drone operations in the Dakota's , its because they are going to do a native nation round up so they can move in and rape the lands of gold , oil, and uranium unprotested , it will be like wounded knee on steroids


Once all the treaties are dissolved then the powers can covet the lands



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Given that new studies are showing that "Native Americans" crossed over from Europe (East Coast) and not the land bridge from Asia (West Coast), I'm guessing they figure you guys came over in advance to warm up the place for us during the last major Ice Age.


Seriously though, the problem isn't that Europeans came over and stole land from the Indians, the problem is that people still think they can "own" the Earth. Mother Nature can erase our civilization in the blink of an eye. The pagans who crossed the Atlantic knew this. They'd learned to respect the Earth as mother, not try and control her or "own" her, but to live with her and for her.
This idea of "ownership" has infiltrated the new generations of American Tribals. The older tribals I know wouldn't dare try to reclaim America, as they never owned her to begin with. They merely shake their heads at those who strip her bare, and the new bloods who have been corrupted by Imperial Ideology.



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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2
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15,000 years thats it ?


Can we talk about how many extinct species have been gone longer then that ?


What about other species who were there far far longer then 15,000 years ?


How many species were the natives responsible for extinction ?

How many human diseases wiped out other species "?



regardless . They were there first , till these natives came along and thought they were also part of the animal kingdom haha but reality they are just another form of earths cancer
humans.


What about the poor Dinosaurs, how do you think they felt by being extincted by the makers of man????



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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99.9% of all the animals that ever existed are extinct. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Are you justifying genocide and conquering of a people? Because that's what it sounds like.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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If in fact Palestine EVER becomes a country, I as a Native American would expect that the United States government give Native American land back to my people. Just saying...in principle!


Meh. I don't want this land back. The whites and blacks can keep it because it is cursed now. This land is a land of blood and death. I want to inherit a place in New Jerusalem where the Messiah Jesus rules.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
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99.9% of all the animals that ever existed are extinct. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Are you justifying genocide and conquering of a people? Because that's what it sounds like.


First off i do not believe that figure. When you make claims that can't be verified its not really science , just an educated guess . which is still an educated guess.


Secondly my point was the natives stole the land for the species that lived there . Then the natives got there land stolen , which was originally stolen from the species that lived there


so they have no case.

who am i ?

I am the legal representation of earths species excluding humans and there land and rights which were stripped because man wanted to build casinos on there lands



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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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World history is the story of migrations of people.

War is often involved in these migrations.

Countries cease to exist sometimes when they lose wars.

It's history.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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I understand what you're trying to say: you promote genocide as long as the victims are human, because humans are inherently wrong. I still think it's awful that you think that, but to each their own.

By the way Natives revered the land and animals. Also, humans are animals and animals will migrate, so you have no case.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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"Can we have our land back?"

Can you prove that the "Native Americans" were THE "native Americans"? Good chance North America was populated before them and if so by whom? Where did they go?



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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I think both of you have very valid points, and beliefs. But the method of which you are displaying it is not effective.

If you scrutinize the theory, yes all land has been stolen at some point. By the logic be presented I can only assume the animals stole the land from the land, and the land can only be owned by itself, so really we should just leave the land alone, animals and the like included.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
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By the way Natives revered the land and animals. Also, humans are animals and animals will migrate, so you have no case.



Yeah...maybe or just a lot of creative writing.

...and you bought it. Hook, line and sinkahhhhh.....
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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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Actually no i don't promote that


Clearly you did not understand what im trying to say



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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No.You weren't even Native in the first place...........and yes you didn't imagine what i just wrote.The Native Americans,self pro-claimed of course,even admit that there were people here before them and that the so called 'Native Americans' killed them off.

The white Europeans have done too much with this land anyway to just hand it over again.



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