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Supporting Evidence of Chemtrails & a Partial History of Aerosol and Weather modification Related Te

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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Exactley. Weather as a weapon. The air force has the goals of such power.





In 2025, US aerospace forces can “own the weather” by capitalizing on emerging technologies and
focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war
fighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact
operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is pertinent to all possible futures. The purpose of this
paper is to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather-modification system to achieve military
objectives rather than to provide a detailed technical road map



csat.au.af.mil...




posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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One question: Why would the government call them 'Chemtrails'? It is a term coined on the Internet to describe longer lasting than usual contrails, or some such, depending on how you describe them.

Surely a government paper describing their use would use their actual name, or, if it secret, no mention at all? Surely this would be like a list of USAF installations having an entry titled 'Area 51'.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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If I"m not mistaken It was a California group back in the early to mid nineties to use the term. Kucinich was the first to use it in a political arena with HR 2977. I guess it just stuck. Chemical trails indeed.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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This is old, old, and already explained news. Dozens of times explained, here on ATS.

Go and review any number of "chemtrail" threads. Use the SEARCH feature (that's how it's labeled, above in the blue bar, on the right...next to LOG OUT).

Go there, and type in any number of variations like "HR2977" and/or "Kucinich HR2977" and so on.

Also, just type "chemtrails patents" and variations on that. Please, DO that and then read and get informed.


You can also get a basic grasp of the true motivations and the story behind HR2977 HERE.


Since I know a certain "believer" will immediately pipe up with complaints about ^ ^ ^ the source above, here is another source that is a general "chemtral" debunking site:

New Mexicans for Science and Reason



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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Proudbird drug the gerbil wheel into the room. Fairly quickly too.

This is why I enjoy this subject so much here at ATS. Spinning gerbil wheels.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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I also thought it is worth mentioning that the contrail science atrical trying to discredit the use of the word chemtrails is just a blokes idea and has no name or fact behind his/her theroy not like the word Chemtrails which is in the Bill Text
107th Congress (2001-2002)
H.R.2977.IH



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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I also thought it is worth mentioning that the contrail science atrical trying to discredit the use of the word chemtrails is just a blokes idea and has no name or fact behind his/her theroy not like the word Chemtrails which is in the Bill Text
107th Congress (2001-2002)
H.R.2977.IH


The question remains: who wrote that silly bill?



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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....s just a blokes idea and has no name or fact behind his/her theroy ....


Still in denial?

Sorry, but it's true.....there are nutters (were nutters) on the staff of Kucinich, or affiliated and contributed in the writing of that ridiculous Bill. THEY include the insane language, likely unbeknownst to Kucinich.

These same nut-jobs are also "9/11 conspiracy" fear mongers and "Inside Jobby Jobbers".


Here, from a very distasteful and insane website, it corroborates the Contrail Science information:


Ms. Moret notes that HR 2977 was drafted by this reporter Alfred Lambremont Webre and submitted to Rep. Dennis Kucinich for introduction as a bill into the U.S. Congress in the summer of 2001, well before the HAARP chemtrails (space-based and atmosphere-based) false flag attack on the World Trade Center towers of September 11, 2011).


exopolitics.blogs.com...

Shows how idiotic they are......it is another indication of the insanity, paranoia, sheer stupidity and (sadly), the lack of scientific knowledge that all too many people exhibit.

See?? In that one "article" they try to tie together HAARP, the Space Shuttle, and so-called "chemtrails".

NOW do you see why this is such a joke to those in the World who are actually knowledgeable about science and aerospace and are rooted in reality??


If not yet.....read their nonsense, and think!! The "chemtrail crowd" (or the "Insane Cloud Posse") keep banging on about what are really normal contrails, but call them "chemtrails"......yet they agree that they are at altitudes of 30,000 to 40,000 feet....coincidentally where airliners cruise.

THEN, we have this case if trying to use the Space Shuttle, as if it too is "involved"!!

Hint: The SPace Shuttle doesn't fly at 30,000 to 40,000 feet!)



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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They're up there spraying NOW......one after another. 3 planes within the past 3 minutes. This activity has been going on since Christmas Eve. And, it's ALWAYS in the same location. I am CONVICED...it's weather related. I can even see them spraying at NIGHT. Yeah....at night...as clear as i can see the moon. I have NO city lights where i live...so...i see ALL the constellations, like they were sitting on my ceiling.

Oops...just as i'm writing this...here comes plane 4, flying in the same direction, about the same altitude...spraying in the same location...just a little further north. And, it looks like someone softly blowing flour into a fan. Or no, it looks like the wind stream demonstrations, when they do those car commercials. It looks like a river of clouds, flowing into the ocean.

I'm trying to explain and keep up-to-the-minute....but, here comes plane 5 leaving it's trail. I'll let you know when plane 6 arrives.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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And, it's ALWAYS in the same location.


Gee.....you don't think it's because those are the SAME routes being flown by passenger airliners every day, on the same schedules between origin airports and destination airports???



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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If 60,000 pound of harmful when breathed and/or contacted substances are sprayed over 100km distances in parallel rows over a period of 25 minutes, and the harmful substances spread and formed an entire covering of the sky for hundreds of square km’s within 4 hours,
Do you think people may be affected in some direct or indirect way??

And what effect should harmful when breathed and/or contacted substances have on the quality of air that it travels through as it would make its way to the ground where we breathe, drink and eat??


Just for the record, I personally don’t care about the name anyone prefers to call dangerous substances being released into our universe without consent from us the majority of the human race.
I only care that we do something about it.


We, the top of the food chain who are supposed to be in charge of the earth are not doing so well of late. We have people in power that are doing things with the intention of directly or indirectly harming life as we know it.
Because of mans wickedness, We are out of control and well on our way to self destruction.
It’s inevitable.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by killemall
I've recently read the H.R.2977 -- Space Preservation Act of 2001 www.chemtrails911.com...

and from what I understand it is a U.S Bill Text
107th Congress (2001-2002)
H.R.2977.IH

and does contain the word Chemtrails.


It was never passed, and hte word chemtrails was removed - see here

See


I find this very compelling evidence combined with the 150+ patents found here [www.chemtrails911.com...[/url]


Yep - they are compelling evidence that there are chemtrail believing people in a position to draft bills to Congress, and people have made patents.

congratulations on revealing more public knowledge!



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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If 60,000 pound of harmful when breathed and/or contacted substances are sprayed over 100km distances in parallel rows over a period of 25 minutes, and the harmful substances spread and formed an entire covering of the sky for hundreds of square km’s within 4 hours,
Do you think people may be affected in some direct or indirect way??



At what altitude? ^ ^ ^.....that "60,000 pound" being "sprayed"? What altitude? Above 30,000 feet? (Because, that's where the airliners fly, and where the contrails are).

Just try to think in three dimensions.....and then calculate the VOLUME of air in the range you suggested, in the text above.

Oh, you are using Metric units.....OK, 30,000 feet = 9,144 meters. Or, about 9 kilometers.

9km vertically, multiplied by (your term) 100km horizontally......by what other distance horizontally?? Another 100km? OK......well, that's 100 x 100 x 9 = 90,000 cubic kilometers of air. Try working out how 60,000 pounds of anything will become diluted in that volume of air.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Nicely put. It does simply come down to the garbage in the skies, whether for regular air travel or for more clandestine power grabs. The fact remains...our clear blue skies are gone..



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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....our clear blue skies are gone..


NOT where I live!!!


I will repeat this challenge: Someone, anyone, willing to keep a log, a journal? Just to record the actual numbers of days when it IS a nice clear "blue skies day", versus those other ones that people complain about. To get an actual record, absent the frailties and mistakes of Human recollection.

Also, I would suggest this journal be annotated with the weather forecasts and other meteorological events, in order to get a better accuracy of data points.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by killemall
If 60,000 pound of harmful when breathed and/or contacted substances are sprayed over 100km distances in parallel rows over a period of 25 minutes, and the harmful substances spread and formed an entire covering of the sky for hundreds of square km’s within 4 hours,
Do you think people may be affected in some direct or indirect way??


Worded like a maths exam....

So lets work it out.
60,000lb = 27,215kg (about half the maximum load for a 767-300F). Spread over 100km, 272kg/km. If we assume it must cover an area 2km wide before the next contrail comes along, 1km to the side to make a constant sheet 200m thick:
Volume is 400x10^6 m^3. Giving 6.8x10^-7 kg/m^3, or 6.8x10^-7 g/l (if I got that conversion right, 1000 g per kg, 1000 l per m^3).
Which is 68micrograms per litre. If we assumed it has the same molecular weight as air, we could approximate that to 68 micrograms per 1.2kg (1 litre of air) of air, giving an extremely small number which makes me think I got my maths wrong:
5.6x10^-10 = 0.56 ppb.

I'd hazard a guess that no one would notice.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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My sister and I were actually doing just that up in Missouri. After a year or so I got brave and started contacting the Operations director at Lambert. After a lot of back and forth and avoidance on his part he stated to me that he could not comment due to the fact that they were military operations.

Some folks have taken this subject serious enough to make sure that they are accurate in their surmise that the chemtrails they are seeing are in fact not normal jet contrails.

I have grown beyond defending what I see and have moved onto why these clandestine operations are going on.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
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My sister and I were actually doing just that up in Missouri. After a year or so I got brave and started contacting the Operations director at Lambert. After a lot of back and forth and avoidance on his part he stated to me that he could not comment due to the fact that they were military operations.

Some folks have taken this subject serious enough to make sure that they are accurate in their surmise that the chemtrails they are seeing are in fact not normal jet contrails.


How does your experience above support that conclusion??

Is this Lambert Int'l Airport? Why do you think the operations director there is the right person to ask and/or is in a position to tell you whatever it was you asked about?


I have grown beyond defending what I see and have moved onto why these clandestine operations are going on.



You've just made a massive leap to these being "clandestine" because 1 official won't comment on them and they are military, and it looks like you are concluding that the trails are chemtrails on the same basis - which is an illogical link as far as I can see - the military do all sorts of clandestine operations (for the sake of the argument) so the fact that any given operation is clandestine is not actually evidence of chemtrails at all.




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