"Racism" is 100% natural, and is not evil. Homogenization is.

Originally posted by PaxVeritas

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by kimish

 

You're right, I was wrong, I'm sorry.

But sometimes, "that which hurts, instructs" (Benjamin Franklin) and in this case I quickly learned something as well..

You haven't instructed anything but your own hypocrisy.

It takes a man to admit, quickly, when he's wrong. I was wrong, I made an error. You got me, hope it satisfies.

reply to post by JudgeDeath

Multicultural society's do not work, they all live side by side but do not integrate with each other.

That's the whole point. Multiculturalists accept cultural differences and the desire of people to seek out their own kind, inviting peaceful coexistence but not insisting that everybody be the same. In other words, integration is beside the point.

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reply to post by mr1alphaalpha

No one is demanding that any (Asian countries where ethnic violence occurred) should be flooded with other races because of events from the past.

1. Nobody of any consequence is asking for that in respect of any white-majority country. Individuals – political and economic refugees – are asking to be let in; that is perfectly understandable and reasonable.
   
   
2. The flood in reverse already happened. White Europeans poured into Asian, African and New World countries and bled them white.
   In the process they also mingled their blood with that of the natives. In addition to those two Asiatic ethnic groups I mentioned earlier, I also have forebears of a third race: English. There's probably some Portuguese in me, too. I am as proud of my European heritage as I am of the Asian; do you know of any reason why I should not be?

Anti-Whites ONLY use events from the past as justification for flooding EVERY White country with other races and forcing everyone to assimilate.

Perhaps 'anti-whites' do. White people have no monopoly on racism. But such people, if they exist, are as few in relative numbers as truly committed white racists are. Most of the non-white immigrants to Western Europe and Asia are simply seeking to better their opportunities in life. They are not coming to steal your women and dilute your precious blood; those are just the perverted sexual fantasies of white racists.

Originally posted by kimish
It wasn't a few that I've had bad experiences with, It was the majority and No I do not live a sheltered life. I live within walking distance of 3 housing projects, 2 of which are the biggest in the county. I've had my fair share of experiences both negative and positive, the majority being negative.

Where I live is in between Pittsburgh, Buffalo and Cleveland. All within an hour and a halfs drive away. That alone should speak volumes.

To be fair, I can understand the situation a little bit more, now. You've lived within walking distance of bad neighborhoods. That is unfortunate. You have formed an opinion of an entire raced based solely on the worst examples of the race, which is still a quite limited perspective. Not all blacks are 'project'. (Do you believe we actually have terms for people that act the way you are describing? Even blacks call other blacks 'project' or 'ghetto' because they are raised with that lack of refinement. The color of their skin matters much less than the conditions in which they were raised.)

Again, there is an entire world of black people who are not 'project'. You even said yourself that, even in the worst of situations, you have seen positive. Even in those horrible conditions, there are people who haven't made their situation define who they are, and are still good people, but the truth is that areas like that ARE problems, even to other black people. Unless you are trying to perpetuate the idea that all black people are 'project' or 'ghetto' - which would be a horrible misrepresentation - then you are still kind of proving my point about your limited perspective.

You know that black folks have to be just as wary of those types of situations, when they go into many majority-white areas of the deep south (as well as other areas). The type of xenophobia that breeds the situations that you're talking about is much more prevalent in areas where people are uneducated and living in poor conditions - regardless of the color of their skin. A huge problem with mainstream media is that many blacks tend to be stereotyped because the stereotypical 'project' black tends to get all the airtime (and don't even get me started on this perversion of 'hip-hop' that gets played in the mainstream - leading most people in the country to believe that hip-hop culture is all about drugs money b!tches and rims (which it's NOT. Hip Hop culture is actually based on positivity and uplifting music which glorifies unity, love and art...though most people who say 'hip hop sucks' are completely oblivious to this fact, because they are never exposed to Real Hip Hop). It's just another horrible example about how limited exposure to something (even when it seems like it's a large section of the demographic) really paints the entire race in a bad light...

...and for what it's worth, I'm sorry that that's all the exposure to our race that you have gotten, and I hope it changes for you in the future...

The so called Homogenization is indeed natural. As an individual ego and patriot you may not easily accept it. The fact is ALL events are natural. What we're seeing is an acceleration of cross cultural and ethnic "homogenization". What you may think of as evil may be part of a greater evolutionary process for the species. If the two ethnic groups cannot live together in peace those two groups will eventually kill each other off, and what will remain are the homogenized people, both culturally and biologically, and there will be a few of the people left that have a geographically isolated bloodline, which will be rare. Some ethnic groups may be wiped out completely (Native Americans anyone?).

So the problem I see is you may be mixing morality with natural science, and racial discrimination with patriotism and cultural pride. The death of an ethnic group or cultural identity is a natural thing, but from a moral standpoint may seem "evil". Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. (e.g. I hate you simply because your skin is brown and mine is white). Nobody calls patriots, or people who carry on and are proud of their cultural heritage a racist.

Originally posted by intelligenthoodlum33

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by intelligenthoodlum33
As about as natural as a steaming pile of you know what. Inherently evil...no...but it sure stinks up the place.

We came from one race and we will end (if we don't kill each other first) as one. Maybe then we can finally acknowledge that the only race that matters is the human race. Probably a bit to lovey, dovey and new agey to be accepted as fact in our current state of mind.

Imagine being able to be proud of ALL the rich cultures that exist or have existed. Now that would be a useful thread topic, I think. This one though

I disagree with the statement about us all coming from the same race.... more logical to say that our creator race (ET's) genetically engineered mankind with various kinds of primates.

Yeah, we tend to agree with theories that cater to our ego (myself included), but who knows? Maybe one day. Is that the only statement of mine that you disagree with?

Yes, it was the only statement that I disagreed with; but it wasn't done to fight. I wanted to reference the AAT as it a very plausible theory on mankind's origin, and it explains the different races.


However, the AAT (Ancient Alien/Astronaut Theory) does not cater to my ego in any way; nor does it cater ANY ONE's ego...in fact, it does the opposite. It asserts that humans are not the most intelligent species in the universe, so it puts me (and others that support this theory) in our perspective places.

reply to post by ButterCookie


You came off very courteous and I appreciate that. With so much screaming being done around here it was a pleasure seeing someone disagree without being disagreeable, if that makes any sense. I asked about any other disagreements as a genuine way to share ideas as you seem to be levelheaded in your discussions. I too believe in ET's, by the way and wonder how they fit into our history.

Thanks for replying.

Originally posted by intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

You came off very courteous and I appreciate that. With so much screaming being done around here it was a pleasure seeing someone disagree without being disagreeable, if that makes any sense. I asked about any other disagreements as a genuine way to share ideas as you seem to be levelheaded in your discussions. I too believe in ET's, by the way and wonder how they fit into our history.

Thanks for replying.

No problem!

When carefully examined, the DNA of humans is at least 96% a match with chimpanzees....but then we have that mysterious 4%, labeled 'mystery' DNA or 'junk' DNA. Primates never evolved into modern humans....we were quantum leaped...we haven't been here long enough to have evolved to our current state.

Your statement tho, is valid when you discussed how us humans don't embrace all of the cultures on our planet. I thought about that, and decided that maybe, just maybe, what we consider 'evil' will always be subjective....

for example: do we consider the lion who eats the lamb 'evil'? or is it just his nature?

something to ponder......

Originally posted by mrsoul2009
I disagree with your distasteful premise. Racism goes hand in hand with religious intolerance. It's the root to some of the worst problems in this world. Without them, our world would be a much more peaceful place. Excusing this behavior - as you attempt to do with pop sociology - is both misguided and offensive.

To claim that stealing and murder is natural behaviour, as you have, is asserting that people are inherently bad.

I disagree that people are naturally bad.

Your false underlying assumption that people are naturally 'bad' is a transparent ploy to give the state the apparent moral legitimacy that people must be prevented from being 'bad' hence legitimising the state 'educating' people to be 'good'.

I disagree that killing and stealing is natural. I disagree with your underlying assumption that people are naturally bad.

Perhaps you feel that you, yourself is inherently bad.

On the other hand, it is quite possible that you have a high opinion of your own moral standing but a poor one of other peoples'.

In other words, you feel you are morally superior.

You certainly come across as if you feel you are holding the moral high ground, so it is likely that you view yourself as being 'good' while assuming others are morally inferior.

I find such an assumption of moral superiority misguided and offensive.

reply to post by ButterCookie


I am reading your thread, "The case for Satan", right now with the replies....very interesting read.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

You came off very courteous and I appreciate that. With so much screaming being done around here it was a pleasure seeing someone disagree without being disagreeable, if that makes any sense. I asked about any other disagreements as a genuine way to share ideas as you seem to be levelheaded in your discussions. I too believe in ET's, by the way and wonder how they fit into our history.

Thanks for replying.

No problem!

When carefully examined, the DNA of humans is at least 96% a match with chimpanzees....but then we have that mysterious 4%, labeled 'mystery' DNA or 'junk' DNA. Primates never evolved into modern humans....we were quantum leaped...we haven't been here long enough to have evolved to our current state.

Your statement tho, is valid when you discussed how us humans don't embrace all of the cultures on our planet. I thought about that, and decided that maybe, just maybe, what we consider 'evil' will always be subjective....

for example: do we consider the lion who eats the lamb 'evil'? or is it just his nature?

something to ponder......

Question...what proof do you present that Modern Humans were a Quantum Leap in development?
I ask this since CroMagnon...the precurser to Homo Sapiens...were almost identical in what we look like. In fact...a person would probably not be able to pick out the one CroMagnon out of a line up of Homosapiens.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by Dark Ghost

Originally posted by Astyanax
What you are objecting to is really the remorse and regret articulated by thoughtful, feeling white people concerning white Europeans' (and Americans') past mistreatment of non-whites. And yes, of course these concerns have been taken up and amplified by the non-white descendants of those mistreated people, as well as by various interest groups that see an advantage in talking up the past sins of white folk. For all that, one cannot sensibly claim that the mistreatment did not occur, nor that the consequences of it have not lasted to this day. Part of the white man's burden is, and must necessarily be, a burden of guilt.

I don't have trouble admitting that mistreatment occurred and that they are indeed sad parts of history. But why must we limit this to White people? Surely "Asian man" or "Black man" have negative periods of their history that they could acknowledge and reflect over. The mistreatment of human beings is not a "white only" phenomenon. Just because recent history is filled with examples of "White man's" mistreatment of others does not mean it's the only group worthy of scrutiny. But this seems largely to be the case in modern times.

It must be galling for a white person (who has as much reason to be proud of his own forebears and culture as anyone else) to keep hearing about this historical bad rap, but them's the breaks. It is not a conspiracy to put white people down. It's just one of the things white people have to live with. But then, there are things we all have to live with.

Would you say the same thing ("them's the breaks") if it were Asian people continually being reminded about how much bad stuff "they" did in the past? It's easy to say "that's the way it is" when it is not yourself and people like you having this stuff shoved in their face all the time.

Some people believe there is indeed a conspiracy to promote anti-white sentiment in the West and throughout the world and it is not just based on a whim either.

edit on 13/1/2012 by Dark Ghost because: (no reason given)

Dude, for a few thousand/hundred years Asians raided Eastern Europe for slaves. But anyway I don't care much about this subject as the pro-tolerant people show time and time again what racist, Caucasian hating bigots they are.

You have to understand history to understand it all. TPTB come from the singular most racist families around. Even now they engage in huge amounts of racism(ever wonder why powerful liberals tend to live in the whitest communities?).

It was actually a large majority of Caucasians who over came TPTB in regards to the race issue. So they decided to take the route "this is what you want here have a ton of it", in the hopes it would cause a reversal of opinion a few generations down the road.

If TPTB where serious about this stuff, why are they turning a blind eye to the genocide of African American's by legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants? And why are they also laying the ground work for an operation wetback 3?

Seriously in order to pull off such an operation they would need:
1) the ability to remove a lot of peoples citizenship
2) The ability to use the military to detain people on American soil
3) Shut the internet down while they where doing it.

It is better to remain apathetic and let history unfold itself.

Originally posted by Scope and a Beam
Or the kind of subhuman scum bags that stabbed a young bright university student like Stephen Lawrence to death purely based on his skin colour, and then went on to laugh about it?

Or the 'Asian' gang who kidnapped, tortured and murdered 15 year old Kriss Donald in Glasgow in 2004?

While the media gave the Stephen Lawrence murder in 1993 extensive coverage and still do to this day, there was effectively a media black out on a racially motivated murder of a white person.

Even the BBC later admitted that it had failed to cover the case sufficiently.

Murder of Kriss Donald

What is my point?

People are sick of the double standards, hence threads such as this.

By the way, before anyone decides to have a politically correct spasm, please note that my biological son is mixed race.

Go figure.

Typical BS argumentation.
Something is "natural", then it cannot be objectioned. We are humans guys, not lions.

reply to post by ollncasino


I do agree with what you're saying there actually, but look how long the Stephen Lawrence case took to get attention, if it wasn't for his mum it would probably still be another unsolved and unheard of case, a lot like the one you mentioned.

I don't always see it as double standards, I mean look what happens when white kids go missing compared to black kids. I understand what you mean I just feel that it's more of a total incompetence in the media in general of treating incidents equally without looking at the skin colour.

My genetic daughter is mixed race btw, I'm a white guy *high five*

Originally posted by Oneiros247


And as has been said, NUMEROUS TIMES, your generation didn't necessarily have a vote, because of the acts of your ancestors. Again, I don't blame this generation of whites for what was done by their previous generation, but it was their actions that caused you to be inable to scream "INJUSTICE" because this region (and others) are now melting pots. It was a vaccuum effect created by history. You are simply expressing disdain for the loss of a feeling of entitlement that you don't rightly have. The region that you're in may no longer be a primarily white area, but it is because those other cultures were ushered in by your ancestors. The more you try to shift the blame, the more you show yourself to be perpetuating the idea that 'the white man wants his land back', which - I'm sorry - but you are not entitled to. I would feel the same about any other race that was in the position that yours might be, in their own regions, but you cannot compare present situations, because they are not the same, no matter how much you want to pretend that they are.

And what question did I try to dodge, exactly?


"3. Read the definition clearly. I'll help you out here "genocide meansany of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"

Use your brain effectively. I'll help you out there: At no point does simply asking one to clarify their interpration of 'white' constitute ANY of the listed acts. None. Not a single one. You are making stuff to prove a non-existent point. I know middle-schoolers with a better grasp of logic.

So you are openly and blatantly supporting anti-White policies that promote White genocide" because of the acts of your ancestors." You claim that's why White people of today in EVERY White country don't have a vote to stop mass immigration? How does Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Iceland, Finland, Poland etc. fit into your model? That is anti-White thinking to the extreme.
As i said BEFORE the Zulus in Africa conquered and nearly wiped out the Hottentots. But nobody says the Africans need to accept and integrate with millions of non-Blacks for this. The Ottoman empire and Moorish empire stole large parts of Europe and made the Christians slaves. But nobody says the Muslim countries need to accept and integrate with millions of non-Muslims for this. Japan has an awful colonial history and most Africans were sold by other Africans to Arabs as slaves yet no one is demanding Japan or any Arab nation be ethnically cleansed "because of the acts of your ancestors."

Its rather funny that you claim i am "shifting the blame" while its patently obvious to anyone with an average IQ YOU are shifting the blame of all evils from history to whites carte blanche in some sort of insane attempt to justify the genocide of my race through mass immigration and assimilation.
You anti-Whites really are evil pieces of work.

Regarding the UN Definition-What EXACTLY are you trying to say here. it just reads as some incoherent nonsense or some sort of strawman attempt. You know fine well that i was posting UN Definition to preempt attempts by yourself and other anti-Whites to continue with the "ohhh its not genocide unless people are being blown up and shoot" line.

What question? I'll ask it again.....

If ALL and ONLY Black countries in 1965 opened the borders and let hundreds of millions of non-Blacks into their countries. Then people in government/media tried to assimilate these non-Blacks into the Black population, and then 90 years later, Blacks are expected to be minorities in those countries; that’s not done by accident. Would you agree this is genocide?

Originally posted by specialk611
reply to post by mr1alphaalpha

 

To go along with your line of thinking help me to understand please how if Asians descend from Asia, Africans descend from Africa, Australians descend from Australia... where do "whites" descend from? I am "white" but I am from North America so therefore I am American and so is anyone who happens to have been born in America, right? It doesn't matter your skin color because it seems to me that cultures are labeled based on region at least in the limited line of thinking you imply. So wouldn't that make some white skinned people Europeans, Americans, Africans (yes, African even if your skin is "white") because that is the region in which a HUMAN is born?

I think the anti- white is genocide is blah blah blah is basically code for - NON-EDUCATED... Just my opinion, but then what do I know. I am just a "white woman" right? lol. Seriously, lighten up before you give yourself a heart attack.

...........................you actually want me to respond to this garbage? You should read the thread. The "what is a White person/country" angle has already been attempted and subsequently revoked. However i'll play along with you this once. Anti-Whites love to attempt word play and semantics. Its always hysterical to watch. So you're telling me if someone came up to you and said "i have a Black friend" you would look at them incredulously and say "WHAT the HELL is a Black person?" LOL

Nice try but those type of "semantics" don't work on anyone with half a brain buddy.

You are a fresh anti-White so how about taking my anti-White challenge?

A simple yes or no answer is all i ask:

Do you agree that all races. Be it Blacks in Africa, Asians in Asia, or Whites in Europe, have an equal right to ensure the survival of their own race and cultures in their own countries?

in the event of a global catastrophe leaving a reduced population of only a few thousand what would you think would happen.

Let's say that in this scenario the remaining population is a 80% African, 10% Asian, and 5% white with 5% other.

Do you think that the remaining small groups like the white or Asian, would practice Homogenization in favor of "unity" for the sake of unity? or would they try and maintain their individual cultural identity for the sake of diversity.

I would argue that although some groups could mix and predominantly would mix with the larger more powerful "black" group, all would try to maintain their individual cultural identities. They would not do this out of spite for one group or the other but rather as a natural tendency to develop relationships that require less energy learning a new culture.

If "Asian" Adam and Eve were on Noah's ark along with their "white" counterparts, they wouldn't be prone to switch partners for a permanent relationship since their initial response would be one of limited communication. It would require a long learning process and would actually be dangerous from a survival point of view to partner outside thier group. If every danger and advantage had to be half explained and by a lengthy process, that group would die out in favor of the stronger more organized group that has strong communication skills.

They would not do this out of racism but out of a natural process by which they achieve greater survivability. They wouldn't be concerned with what was socially acceptable since in reality those concerns would take a back seat to things like hunger, need for shelter, etc. Altruistic notions can only develop when all basic needs are met and energy can be spent on things not necessary for survival. The law of survival cannot be negated.

If all those needs were met, and a common form of communication and exchange existed, those tendencies to look toward "your" race would disappear. You might then find people developing relationships based not on race and culture but instead on things like musical interests, hobbies, etc. Exactly like what we have today.

We have the luxury of speaking about race dynamics with full bellies and in warm homes. If those needs were not met we would seek to establish stronger communities and relationships based on the amount of energy exerted to meet our individual needs compared to the rewards we could achieve collectively. We would do this not out of a concept of racism, but out of practicality and necessity.

Racism is something developed after all basic needs are met and greater levels of cultural interchange are affordable and encourage able. It is formed by the "full bellies" that feel threatened or want to maintain their numerical superiority over another group competing for the same resources. The natural tendency to prefer your own "race" is not out of racism but out of instinct.

Homogenization would be something that those same "full bellies" would develop because of the same reasons racism is developed. Both are done to maintain numerical or tactical superiority over resources by one group over the other.

again just my opinion based on what I have taught myself

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by JudgeDeath

 

Multicultural society's do not work, they all live side by side but do not integrate with each other.

That's the whole point. Multiculturalists accept cultural differences and the desire of people to seek out their own kind, inviting peaceful coexistence but not insisting that everybody be the same. In other words, integration is beside the point.

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reply to post by mr1alphaalpha

 

No one is demanding that any (Asian countries where ethnic violence occurred) should be flooded with other races because of events from the past.

1. Nobody of any consequence is asking for that in respect of any white-majority country. Individuals – political and economic refugees – are asking to be let in; that is perfectly understandable and reasonable.
   
   
2. The flood in reverse already happened. White Europeans poured into Asian, African and New World countries and bled them white.
   In the process they also mingled their blood with that of the natives. In addition to those two Asiatic ethnic groups I mentioned earlier, I also have forebears of a third race: English. There's probably some Portuguese in me, too. I am as proud of my European heritage as I am of the Asian; do you know of any reason why I should not be?

Anti-Whites ONLY use events from the past as justification for flooding EVERY White country with other races and forcing everyone to assimilate.

Perhaps 'anti-whites' do. White people have no monopoly on racism. But such people, if they exist, are as few in relative numbers as truly committed white racists are. Most of the non-white immigrants to Western Europe and Asia are simply seeking to better their opportunities in life. They are not coming to steal your women and dilute your precious blood; those are just the perverted sexual fantasies of white racists.

edit on 13/1/12 by Astyanax because: of a technicality.

Interesting spin. Indeed no one of "any consequence" is using this justification but its certainly one anti-Whites use all the time. In fact in the same paragraph YOU went on to castigate Whites yourself because of events from the past. Perhaps you haven't been reading this thread?!

The people of "consequence" in all White nations use more covert words and phrases such as "diversity" and "multiculturalism" Anyone White and normal knows these are just code words for "too many White people."

Nobody is saying that Africa needs diversity.
Nobody is saying that Asia needs diversity.
No one says a school in Israel needs more non Jews
No one says the police departments in Japan have too many Japanese
No one says that a city in China needs an African Mayor
They are already 100% diverse.
People are only telling White children in White countries that they need diversity.
White Countries will be 100% diverse when there are no White people left.
Diversity is a code-word for White genocide;

All this proves is one thing. Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White

I wonder what the odds are, of the author of this thread, being a white male.

I'm just curious.

reply to post by CaticusMaximus

Im scottish and Im married to a Chinese girl. I love the little differences that pop up every day and she looks forward to become a scottich citizen.

Scotland was branded racist for wanting independance recently by the english and I for one am not completely convinced about independance because no polotician has the balls to actualy talk figures and tell me (what any scot whants to know) will be we better off or not.

Racism is blown out of proportion too many times but I say if you dont like it go back to where you came from. Stop pushing your laws in my country...but im not racist, I mean how can i be I love my wife dearly and tell her every day we are lookig forward to having kids soon. Its the attitudes of some forigners that want to come here and make changes that I (a born scottish citizen) dont want. Im also supporting most of these immigrants whenever they claim benefits since they have not put in enough contributions themselves so they should be grateful and should try to be be more scottish as they now live here.

Im very fortunate to be able to experience 2 different cultures and I feel sorry for those who dont get the chance themselves. You can enjoy other cultures as long as they respect your country and people in peace and respect.

just my view