"Racism" is 100% natural, and is not evil. Homogenization is.

reply to post by CaticusMaximus


Racism is not natural. Fear of the unknown is.


Racism does not exist in youth born into extreme diversity.

Originally posted by kimish

How are my real life experiences racist? Where did I state that 1 race was superior over another? Please enlighten me. I merely stated what I have witnessed with my own two eyes, real life experiences. Btw, both questions I asked were not rhetorical (that means I would like an answer). Thank you.

Actually, you know what? I'm not above acknowledging when I may be wrong, and I sincerely apologize. I retract the previous statement, because I did not immediately realize that you might not have been blatantly racist with the comment (even though it definitely borders on it, and it is the fundamental frame of mine that most racists base their xenophobia on; Limited Exposure).

What might have been more correct would be to simply say that it was one of the most painfully ignorant comments I've seen in that thread. You base your evaluation of an Entire Race upon the actions of a few. Do you know how often I see racist things in the news and in life? I, myself, was almost jumped in high school, by a bunch of stick-carrying white kids, because they thought I was another person. How ignorant would it be for me to just assume that 'all white/black/asian/etc' people are just like the few of them that I've had experience with? It would be absolutely ridiculous. The color of your skin does not delegate your actions, and if that's what you believe, then you really have no place to talk ill of a race you have had such limited exposure to, period.

Originally posted by Scope and a Beam
This

what most of Western society has now deemed "racist", is really just an extended instinct of self-preservation. Does not the self-preservation instinct extend beyond the proper functioning of ones own physical body into more abstract things like culture and society, making it only natural for a people to want to maintain their unique cultural identity as an extension of themselves?

from the OP is mind boggling. What a ridiculous sentiment, to presume that mixing races is essentially weakening your culture and race. Almost every culture on earth is a mix bag of others in some form or another.

And the irony is that mixed race people are more resilient to disease and illness than any other "pure" race is, so this "self-preservation" could technically see you killed off one day. Not that I'm saying all races should mix and have babies, but come on, what a stupid idea. "Breed within your own race to self preserve it" I mean jesus christ, mixing (and I don't mean mating) can do nothing but enrich a culture in my opinion.

I'd rather my offspring were cultured, knowing of other races and their habits and history, wiser by their tales, and also sharing their own, than some dunderheads who cross the street when they see a black man with dreadlocks and know only about fish and chips.

edit on 13-1-2012 by Scope and a Beam because: (no reason given)

Ive been reading this thread, and it seems that yourself, along with several others, are fundamentally misunderstanding the context I have used when speaking of "racism". Notice the quotes, they are there to distinguish true racism, which I spoke of at the end, from common "racism", which is plastered onto anything that is in the slightest not inline with mainstream "values" so to speak, on the subject.

Also, you said: "What a ridiculous sentiment, to presume that mixing races is essentially weakening your culture and race". That is NOT what was presumed. Have you actually read the OP? Have some of you others read the thread, those of you who are fundamentally misunderstanding what Im actually talking about?

The OP is about cultural identity. That can mean any number things, and be defined in a multitude of ways. You all who are fixating on the color of peoples skin have either not read the OP and just going on the title, have read the OP and at an elemental level misunderstood its context and meaning, or are just being willfully hard headed.

I knew many wouldnt understand, and Im thankful more than I actually thought DO understand. But Im just left here scratching my head at some of the arguments used against the OP, that are almost nonsensical, because they are countering supposed points THAT WERE NEVER MADE.

The first response is a great example. Its obvious the Allurchips guy didnt even read the thread; he simply saw a provocative thread title with 0 replies, and fired off a quick contrary first response based only on the title to whore for stars from others who would not actually read the post and just go with the title as well, despite being asked explicitly not to. Sadly, it was quite an effective method.

Anyway... carry on thinking this is a thread about race mixing or whatever I guess

Its not though.

Originally posted by intelligenthoodlum33
As about as natural as a steaming pile of you know what. Inherently evil...no...but it sure stinks up the place.

We came from one race and we will end (if we don't kill each other first) as one. Maybe then we can finally acknowledge that the only race that matters is the human race. Probably a bit to lovey, dovey and new agey to be accepted as fact in our current state of mind.

Imagine being able to be proud of ALL the rich cultures that exist or have existed. Now that would be a useful thread topic, I think. This one though

I disagree with the statement about us all coming from the same race.... more logical to say that our creator race (ET's) genetically engineered mankind with various kinds of primates.

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Brave thread!!

It makes sense....S & F.

Originally posted by Scope and a Beam
reply to post by Phenomium

 

Calm down Cartman.

I guess that did sound a bit like Cartman in retrospect didn't it.I could hear him saying that

Originally posted by ButterCookie

I disagree with the statement about us all coming from the same race.... more logical to say that our creator race (ET's) genetically engineered mankind with various kinds of primates.

One step at a time

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It wasn't a few that I've had bad experiences with, It was the majority and No I do not live a sheltered life. I live within walking distance of 3 housing projects, 2 of which are the biggest in the county. I've had my fair share of experiences both negative and positive, the majority being negative.

Where I live is in between Pittsburgh, Buffalo and Cleveland. All within an hour and a halfs drive away. That alone should speak volumes.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by intelligenthoodlum33
As about as natural as a steaming pile of you know what. Inherently evil...no...but it sure stinks up the place.

We came from one race and we will end (if we don't kill each other first) as one. Maybe then we can finally acknowledge that the only race that matters is the human race. Probably a bit to lovey, dovey and new agey to be accepted as fact in our current state of mind.

Imagine being able to be proud of ALL the rich cultures that exist or have existed. Now that would be a useful thread topic, I think. This one though

I disagree with the statement about us all coming from the same race.... more logical to say that our creator race (ET's) genetically engineered mankind with various kinds of primates.

Yeah, we tend to agree with theories that cater to our ego (myself included), but who knows? Maybe one day. Is that the only statement of mine that you disagree with?

"Racism" is not natural. Or the OP's title is worded wrong.

Classification of races on a subconscious level is perfectly 'normal'. It's a DNA level reaction all of us have had from tens of thousands of years of tribal society and national borders. "Racialism" or being AWARE of race/ethnicity is something you can't get rid of or unlearn, like other instantaneous observations that have helped us survive over time.

Example

You walk out of an elevator and turn the corner and it front of you is another person. The first thin your subconscious goes through is an instant list of attributes.

Gender is usually first, then race, the age, weight,height...then the mind does an assessment of things like posture, clothing, attractiveness, facial features, mannerisms.

When we as a society tell ourselves to be 'color blind', this is a myth and goes against all sociological and biological norms. We are NOT, the "same"...other than the fact we are all Home Sapien Sapien, the same species.

The differences we have boil down to CULTURAL differences for the most part that create and foster 'racist' beliefs most of the time. TRUE RACISM is very RARE. Most of us relate to cultural norms that go within our own race/ethnicity and other cultural norms many times differ to ours. So we develop stereotypical categorization based on these differences. That is NOT racism. That's "culturalism".

Very few people HATE or wish harm on another based entirely on race/ethnicity.

EXAMPLE

Most of the Illegal Immigrants you might come across in the U.S. are "Hispanic". If you saw a man with a cowboy hat, jeans, work boots, mustache, "MICHOACAN" T Shirt......standing in front of Home Depot waving your car down for a "Yob", you might sigh and say "Oh Jesus another Illegal".

Take the same man, put him in a shirt and tie or any clothing that YOUR race/ ethnicity deem 'nice clothing', have him speak fluent unaccented English and sound like a regular American, the same reaction won't exist. This is because he is near your CULTURAL norms. You notice he is of another race/ethnicity, yet you don't react to him the same way.

"Racism" is a lazy word to explain any feelings of negativity toward another person that differs from you. Most of the times I have seen someone accused of being 'racist', they are stereotyping or disagreeing with an ACTION or PERSONALITY rather than genetic makeup.

There are people out there that HATE and WISH HARM on those with different genetic makeups, but that group of people is rare, like I said. HATRED of another person based on skin color/race/ethnicity...is not "normal" or healthy or enlightened in any way.

All realizing we are 'different' but respecting each other as the same species "Home Sapien", and not dwelling, legislating, or catering to those 'differences'.

I'm a musician. If you've ever seen musicians jam together of different race/ethnicities..."racist" thoughts don't exist. It goes to the background because you are all focusing on a 'greater good' or cause. Same with sports, same with any activity or bond which transcends these things.

One of the main causes of our perceived "racism" and real racism is MULTICULTURALISM. It causes racism more than it cures it. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment. Multiracialism does not. The only cure for "racism" (which is overused to begin with) is NATIONALISM. Blacks, Whites, Hispanics all on the same 'page' with respect to our grand MACRO neighborhood community in whatever country we live in. Otherwise 'racism' will continue and always be here.

Genetic Diversity = Rubust, Healthy Species.

Sorry to burst your racist bubble.

It's the white racist, inbred, trailer park, red necks of the deep south, who are the lessor breed, imho.

Edit: Forgive me, that was a little harsh, I just hate racism, big time.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Genetic Diversity = Rubust, Healthy Species.

Sorry to burst your racist bubble.

It's the white racist, inbred, trailer park, red necks of the deep south, who are the lessor breed, imho.

That was a racist remark.
you fit along with all the other racists in the thread.
Two wrongs do not make a right.

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You're right, I was wrong, I'm sorry.

But sometimes, "that which hurts, instructs" (Benjamin Franklin) and in this case I quickly learned something as well..

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Genetic Diversity = Rubust, Healthy Species.

Sorry to burst your racist bubble.

It's the white racist, inbred, trailer park, red necks of the deep south, who are the lessor breed, imho.

Edit: Forgive me, that was a little harsh, I just hate racism, big time.

edit on 13-1-2012 by NewAgeMan because: (no reason given)

Yes, I can see you obviously "hate racism"...racist.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by kimish

 

You're right, I was wrong, I'm sorry.

But sometimes, "that which hurts, instructs" (Benjamin Franklin) and in this case I quickly learned something as well..

You haven't instructed anything but your own hypocrisy.

This is a MASSIVE topic and one with so may divergent views and opinions mixed with social and cultural biases.

First off im neither black nor white. Culturally speaking my ancestors are European, Dutch/English to be specific.

I'll give a little historic lesson before i explain why i think the OP is splitting hairs on the subject and the the inherit hypocrisy in the OP.

During the 16th 17th and 18th century European colonization of Asia and Africa was intense and as a result there are now a sub culture and race around the world of Anglo Africans and Anglo Asians. I fall into the latter category.

Without going into too much detail i'll say that growing up in a country as a minority but being fair skinned compared to the natives we (my family and all other Burghers which means citizen in Dutch) were treated as a different race. For the most part we were tolerated as a side effect of colonization by the natives but not taken too seriously as a threat to overtaking of the natives. Because our numbers stayed relatively low compared to the rest of the population we were more of a curiosity and so we incorporated much of the local culture into our own. As a result of this mixing our culture is unique to our race (if we even have such a categorization) We maintained a predominantly European cultural Ethos with a little spice if you will that is south east asia.

So on the one hand as a result of the colonization of the country we have a race of individuals that are different from the 2 original cultures that spawned them but neither can we as a race claim to belong to either culture absolutely. Now based on the OP and the claims that cultural diversity will result in the extinction of one race or another i find that to be an error in logic.

Firstly because there is no such thing as a pure race or pure culture. The human race as a whole is a dynamic living entity. to assume we have reached the end of not only our cultural but also genetic evolution is showing how little one understands the dynamic nature of well nature. We will keep mixing and keep evolving and changing losing some gaining others.

Secondly you see we are all stuck on this planet together we cant run and hide in a corner of the world for the rest of eternity. we have to face the fact that Cultural diversity is an eventuality and even though the human race might achieve a genetic homogenization it will never do so culturally. Even in a world connected as we are at the speed of light there are far more culturally diverse pockets of humans than there ever were before.

So what makes you think that culturally and genetically speaking now that the OP has reached this level of development thats where it should stop????

The whole point of evolution is to keep changing and you want to stop that change. To assume you know better than the laws of nature and probability is highly arrogant and deluded in my opinion. What if 10,000 years ago your ancestors thought like you? you and your family wouldnt exist to even be posting about it.

In the end nature will find a way, you cant stop whats natural for humanity to do, spread and adapt. Adapt or be extinct is natures motto. It doesnt care if your black white yellow or brown, or mix of it all. so as i always say let the dice fall where they may. The evolution of the human race has not reached its final stage and i dont think we are programmed to ever have a final point of evolution. so to restrict one race from advancing further is suicide which is what the OP is trying to prevent in the first place, ironic indeed.

I'll bite

Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
But at its very essence; at its very core, what most of Western society has now deemed "racist", is really just an extended instinct of self-preservation. Does not the self-preservation instinct extend beyond the proper functioning of ones own physical body into more abstract things like culture and society,

Why do you assume that culture is automatically linked to race? It's not. The two can be linked in certain circumstances, but racial characteristics are not the result of cultural customs or beliefs. You have black britishmen and women, white japs (they do exist), Germans whom happen to be turkish in racial and ethnic heritage. Preserving and celebrating culture cannot automatically be attributed to celebrating ones racial characteristics.

This goes back to this idea of white pride. How can you take pride and a sense of achievement from somebody elses achievements because theyhappen to have the same racial characteristics as you? Sounds rather demeaning to you as a person if you ask me. What's more, there are all kinds of white people, Greeks, Italians, Germans, Russians, all unique in their own ways. White pride seems like a broad generalization. Are we extending white pride to caucasian pride as well? Because genetically, it makes more sense considering that caucasian peoples are grouped genetically as one, this isn't restricted to European peoples. Iranians, Afghanis, Northern Indians, Algerians, are as related to the Germans as the spanish are. So are you going to be taking pride in the persian culture and Indian culture as well?

We associate our own personal individualities with more than just the clothing we wear and the car we drive. Enmeshed in our individualities is the culture

See above.

To deny the instinct of self-preservation is glorified nowadays, and if a person dares have pride in their unique culture

Again, why do you assume that culture, and ones racial characteristics, are automatically connected?

Sounds like more racialist blabber to me. Ah well, you'll make plenty of friends here, and on stormfront.

IMO, we are all from Earth. Although we may all have different appearances ( i.e skin colour, culture, ethnicity etc..). But I belIeve , in my humble opinion, that there is only 1 race; and that's the human race. The seperation was primarily created by the humans that wanted to be Gods themselves, using money as the source of seperation. But in death will learn there is one truth. We are all one and the same, just different circumcumstances. I think respecting others how you would like to be respected is the way to go. Peace.

1) Racial diversity is acceptable.Cultural diversity cannot be acceptable if you wish for a thriving society.
"Diversity" is codeword for Multiculturalism which is has few benefits, but at it's core a huge mistake in theory.

2) Pride in your Race/Ethnicity is the DUMBEST thing ever. You have no say or hand in your melanin content, DNA, facial features, etc. It's like saying I'm 'proud' to have green eyes. Only a moron finds pride in genetic accidents and 'pride' causes racism.

Black Pride, White pride, Asian pride, Brown pride = horse puck.

3) Racism is usually thought of from the perspective of "WHITE ON SO AND SO". Racists come in all colors.

4) I've noticed the more "Liberal" or Left Leaning "altruistic" types make some of the most vile race baiting, race obsessed phonies in existence. Their overuse of the word 'racist' is nauseating.

5) Did I mention that Multi-Culturalism is a failed experiment?

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Thanks for the kind words. I sometimes get alot of heat for telling it like it is and some folks just have a hard time accepting why certain things are done and what the overall purpose truly is. I run into very wealthy people who think that they know what is going on and try to enlist me in their cause of the week. They are not aware that besides being in entertainment and helping run several very sucessful family buisnesses....I have a third job that goes against the grain of what these self proclaimed Enlightened....have decieded is best for people they neither know or understand.
My third job is to be a problem solver and every now and then...I am asked...because I am not Military but "Civilian" and am old enough and put in enough time to say no...but I go anyways. In this job I have seen and done many things...things of necesity that cannot be so easily classified or placed into a box or a preconcieved notion.

In this job it is imparitive to have an understanding about how people are so much different than yourself as well as be prepaired to experience illogical reactions as YOU see it...but not as another group sees it. This is what many people in the world as well on this board who have a relatively comfortable life do not understand. People who live in a state of relative freedom and comfort LOVE to play armchair quarterback because they make decisions of what should be done or not done based on limited information and understanding. If they were in the field...and playing stakes that were for keeps....they would have a much different perspective and certainly would not be so eager to put their life on the line for an ideal that could easily get them killed. Split Infinity