Originally posted by maddog99
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
DEMOCRATS ARE THE LESSER EVIL, REPUBLICANS ARE THE GREATER EVIL. If you don't believe this already, then you seriously need to start studying the
world, politics, history, science, and reality in general.
There is no difference really. That's the big reality a lot of people who are still asleep often miss.
As for Ron Paul... despite his many positive aspects... it's nauseating how all you Ron Paul fans COMPLETELY FAIL TO REALIZE how his
free-market/laissez-faire ideologies would completely screw most people (and the environment) over. It's simple as that... many of his economic
policies are based on support for RICH/POWERFUL ELITES AND PLUTOCRATS, whether he realizes it or not.
So, explain how a free market system will screw us all? So, you want the govt. to run the system? How's that been working lately? How about some more
corporate and domestic welfare too? Sure, why not...who pays for that by the way? Maybe we'll just bail-out Europe while were at it? Hey, he just
asked to raise the debt ceiling again! Woopie! Who cares? We'll just start the presses up again!
You Completely fail to see past your blinders!
Ahh... but there IS A DIFFERENCE!!! If you ACTUALLY STUDY the voting histories of Dems and Reps, you will absolutely see a difference. Now... at the
end of the day, the question is, how big is the difference? NOT ENOUGH. But there is a difference, and we cannot think in black and white terms about
this. Yes the two major parties are failures in many ways, the political system is failing in many ways (ESPECIALLY due to legalized
bribery/lobbying); however, I see more light on the left than I do on the right, and the most intelligent/educated people I've ever met agree.
A free market system would screw us all because it is based on maintaining our current way of life... except MINUS government regulations/taxes...
that's insane. You cannot maintain a nation-state without taxes... period. We will NEVER be able to eliminate taxes unless we eliminate centralized
governments... which is FINE BY ME! I'm an ANARCHIST. However... you cannot maintain Capitalist economies, wealth stratification, wage-slavery, our
monetary system, industrialization, and so on in an Anarchist society. If we are to eliminate our government overlords but keep our market overlords
then we're asking to be screwed, except without any semblance or even the illusion of Democratic/representative government acting on our collective
behalf against private entities. Big business/Capitalism and centralized government are conjoined in an unholy unity, privatized markets/money and
government were BORN TOGETHER, they are intimately intertwined; and WITHIN the system we live within, they are like two bullies who, when they aren't
working together, bully EACH OTHER. If we remove government regulation in our CURRENT markets/business/money/banking but KEEP the other bullies, and
MAINTAIN the status quo, then we'll have ZERO recourse against big business when they cheat and/or harm us, our land/air/water/food, our ecosystems,
or other species. If we are to de-regulate the private sector (business/markets) then we must ALSO immediately de-regulate the public sector
(citizens/activists/etc.) so that we can enact our own retribution against economic entities who wrong us. Keep in mind... there are MANY regulations
which ACTUALLY HELP PROTECT US from unacceptable harm/theft, they were fought for long and hard by people like you and I, who despised the government
and big business for conspiring against the rest of us, we cannot embrace naive free-market ideologies and just pretend that all those struggles
didn't happen or that they can be written off as part of some big "commie conspiracy" because that couldn't be further from the truth. SOMETIMES, the
government can be used BY the citizenry to get US protection and get US the best deals out of our massively centralized/globalized society. If we
TRULY want a working free market, then we must focus on OTHER more core principles (and not just a "free market") that would eliminate any system of
power/wealth that gives the few power/wealth over and above the many, principles that would encourage localized communities, freedom, sustainability,
cooperation, peace, freedom, humanity, culture, diversity, and so on. Otherwise you're just asking for a Capitalist hell that WON'T magically work
itself out because Ayn Rand, Glenn Beck, or Ron Paul told you so.
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