NO more Obama!! He's done more harm than good! Last 3 years a nightmare.

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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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I've been contemplating all the comments of Obama and his wife, before and after election. The comments of people who represent various mindsets, such as the catholic socialists vs. the evangelical capitalists. Sorry there's no such thing as "catholic socialists" or "evangelical capitalists", as people are individuals. Some catholics are socialists and some catholics are capitalists, and some evangelicals are socialists and some evangelicals are capitalists. It simply isn't as cut and dried as they have shown it on the news or in critical papers meant to isolate "christians" as a group into various stereotypes that can be used against them.

I've also kept a very keen eye on some outspoken occultists for the simple fact they are "hiding" (that's what occult means) information and the only evidence of what they might be hiding is what comes out of their mouths on a regular basis: et.al, that christians and jews are the big problem. Let me reiterate, there's no such thing as a "christian" problem or a "jewish" problem as people are individuals and some are problems and some are not, just like the rest of the planet. These are stereotypes meant to isolate christians and jews into various categories that can be used against them.

Occassionally, they even say muslims are the problem but currently they're trying to work up the muslims against the christians and jews. What happens if we don't condone or participate in this 3-ring circus? Whatever it is, it doesn't sound like anyone will care by the time the tshtf, because that's the plan, blame it on the christians and jews so when they finally get their comeuppance, no one will shed a tear and will actually be celebrating in the streets!

if you don't believe me, listen to the words in this song
The Matrix - Rage Against the Machine


it's all my fault (i'm a christian).

What's this got to do with the OP? That's what Michelle is talking about when she says "people don't understand." Obama wasn't lying to everyone. He has every intention of fulfilling his campaign promises, but in his estimation the way to do that is by bringing down the USA. Those campaign promises weren't for citizens of the USA.

In addition, I believe this focus on racism is providing fuel for people to be less sympathetic to people of color, particularly those people of color who hold one of the "problem religions", thus we see genocides against black christians in Africa and the USA not only participating in it, but blaming american christians at the same time. Biggest double cross in human history.

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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Obama is not Bush light but "Bush, The Sequel"

What you don't realize is that republican or democrat disatisfied voters should band together to fight the du-ocracy which is controlled by the corporate elite.

if voting democrat is not the answer and voting republican is not the answer then we need a third option...
I don't see any change possible as long as the political paradigm remains the same.

Personally, I do not see this happening because I believe the placebo effect goes all the way to the psyche... in other words repo or dem it won't matter because psycholigally 60 percent of the electorate is bound to their idiology and facts and that they can never see the honest truth

just like 30 percent of patients get better even when the control group gets 100 percent fake medicine.

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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Nice post!
Even before he was elected you could see through him, he was elected by young people being led by MTV and a corrupted voting (acorn, need I say more!).
It's like for the first time in my life we didn't have a 'real' president!
Matt Damon was a BIG Obama supporter now he is one of his biggest foes (he said "we need someone else, someone with balls!") Any 'real' president would ignore stuff like this but not Obama he said "I hear Mat Damon is disappointed with my performance, well I just saw your movie "the Adjustment Bureau" so back at ya fella!" now I ask you, does this sound like a president of the United States?
Gawd, and I thought Carter was bad, even HE did more as a president than this poser!



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
congress makes the laws


But the POTUS can VETO a bill and send it back to the House and Senate for an override vote...which rarely happens.

BTW...how many Bills has Obama Vetoed?

TWO!

He just plays the game like a good old boy!

The best was the NDAA Bill. First he says he'll Veto it so it gets NO press. Then he signs it on New Years Day!
While he and everyone else is either away or hung-over!...


The man is clever!



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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Where are all the Obama hacks?
 We're here, just dumbfounded I guess.

OP, Easiest Stars and Flags ever. 
And the best part... Its crafty bs.
I can't believe your claims haven't been challenged. 
 ATS members will argue that your grandma is not 
your grandma and give you the links to prove it. 
Where are they? I guess they don't look 
into to Obama bashing. 

I bet your life is not one bit different with Obama. 
But things have become worse huh? Even Nightmarish ?
Holy Crap ! What'd  I miss ?


NDAA,  is it helpful for your case if the
only quote you could find was that American citizens
can't be held ? Shouldn't you find one that
says American citizens can be held ? 
Oh.. There are none.

ACORN...Ok, let's just concentrate on the biggest scandal.
The prostitution ring. Turns out
those were Republican kids dressed up in
what they thought "Pimps & Ho's" must look like. 
Have you seen the ridiculous skinny white boy 
who is supposed to be the pimp ? 
One of many Rightwing attacks. 
Long since debunked.  If you only watch Fox 
and listen to AM talk radio, 
you are gonna miss tidbits like that.

OBAMA CARE. Ridiculous term first of all.. 
It is simply coverage. That's it. And if you truly
 can't afford it, you won't pay a dime.
The insurance comp. can't turn you down 
for a pre-existing condition.  I know it's turned 
into this giant commie plot by the Right, but 
unless you own an Insurance company, it's a good thing. 

Maybe you feel sorry for the billionaire Insurance comp chiefs? 
It's not like they'll lose their health care or miss a car payment.  

LIBYA . really? Can you really go there after the 8 years 
of a right wing agenda in Iraq? (which Obama ended) 

Eh... I'll be hated as usual but I can't take titles like yours.
 y'all don't care about what the real story is with our President. 
Yep, he's your president too. 
President of the U.S.A.
 Oh I've watched the dude since 98' & Alex's "Obama deception" is one of his slickest yet.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by maddog99


The man is clever!


It's not clever, it's the plan. You are meant to be so disillusioned with the government that you demand it be replaced, entirely.

He's a chess piece, moving on the board.
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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Even Nightmarish ? Holy Crap ! What'd I miss ?


He seems like a man with some legitimate goals, but the issue at hand is, he has auto-assumed the people of this country who are not in line with the plan, don't deserve the same honesty that he has given to those who are with the plan. This is fairly normal, so I don't fault him for that either. Everyone does that to some degree.

Where the problem arises is, some people in the country don't want it to survive. They want it to be transformed into something it never was, and people are pointing to what it was and saying, THAT was a good government for the most part. Why can't we at least attempt to restore the best parts instead of destroying it. But that's not the plan. And thus you see the divide. Most people realize the way it is now is not great and the way it was before wasn't the best either, but at least it was better than destroying it entirely.

If faced with those 2 options, people are going to have strong opinions.

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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:54 PM
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Put it this way and I'm not trying over exagerate or fear monger.

If he does win and he turns out to be a shill which I am 99.9% certain he is not. Then the only thing left is all out revolution. I'm talking the big one, something none of us have ever seen in our lifetime. It will make the Arab Spring look like the Macey's Day Parade.

Same thing goes for if he does win and tries to do what he says he would do and gets killed or dies... It will be ON!, America will not let another JFK incident get swept under the carpet by some corrupt goverment commision.

The thing is that some of you non-Paul supporters do not get is that a Majority of people are sick and tierd of all the corruption in Politics/Business/Religion. And what They do not understand (the TPTB) is they are out numbered. Really the only thing that would "save" them is if we have some "natural disaster" or a foriegn army invades the USA. They will have to kill all of us. I promise you this American military will not do it.

---What side of history are you going to be on ?

I do not understand how a real person with a job and family can't understand or see this. I honestly believe that the people here who try and support the other candidates or status quo are people working for the said people and status quo. No real person would so freely give up their rights and the rights of their family. Hell I do not even care if I live or die, it is ALL about my family I will die with a smile on my face to save my family.

Its Ron Paul or bust. It amazes me how people try and make wanting to get back our rights and the value of our currency a BAD thing. I bet all these non-Paul supporters work for some goverment bureaucracy that he wants to cut. Well tough # go find a real job. Welcome to the real world the majority of us live in.



Originally posted by studio500

Originally posted by maddog99
reply to post by greysave
 


Again...I don't see anyone defending the Bush / Cheney Regime.

The problem so many have with Obama is he lied to everyone's face. Said he was for the people and it's been the TOTAL opposite!

Someone mentioned the look on his face after his first meeting...suggesting he might of had good intentions then finally realized he was just being used. Well, if that is true then shame on him for not realizing it and also to not have the back-bone to fight them! Then again, look what happened to Kennedy I guess.

But that's why I love Paul...He Can't Be Corrupted, Bullied or Bought!


Lol Do you really honestly and truthfully think that Ron Paul will be any different?

Do you think that he can do what every other president has failed to do and that is to use his free will?
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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by sealing
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 y'all don't care about what the real story is with our President. 





Really now? What is the REAL story?



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by maddog99


The man is clever!


It's not clever, it's the plan. You are meant to be so disillusioned with the government that you demand it be replaced, entirely.

He's a chess piece, moving on the board.
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So you believe it's their plan to disillusion people like me and others into revolution?...why, so they can achieve their goal to create a One-World Government?

Interesting, but not sure if I'm buying into that yet.

But imo, unless we have real change soon...like someone promised...the whole S###-House is going up in flames.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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Well tough # go find a real job.
reply to post by WhereAreTheGoodguys
 


I'm a ron paul supporter but statements like that, discredit the movement.
so i'm gonna turn it right back on you and suggest YOU are a shill working for his opposition by making him look like some uncaring overlord.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by maddog99

But imo, unless we have real change soon...like someone promised...the whole S###-House is going up in flames.



that's the plan. you can always tell when a "plan" is about to hit, cause they campaign for young people specifically. mostly because as yet, young folks have no over-riding compulsion to conform due to concern for their own living offspring, which they haven't had yet, but the secondary and very real concern for their children that they may have in the future. it's a legit concern too and is part of the overall rationale for the "plan" to work.

part of the plan is they have to blame somebody other than them, for the outcome. so they erect spokesmen who say they are this thing or that thing, and whatever that thing is, that is the target that the blame will be pinned on. the target is always associated by osmosis with the bad thing that's happening, in this case it's white american christians, because bush said he was a christian and obama says he's a christian but his white christian granny was a racist and white christians, again by osmosis, inherit that etc.

from what i can tell, white american evangelicals (read that as protestants) are extreme targets in this. the idea was to form some mental image in people's minds that hitler and fascism in general, is white christian protestants. (see "V" ) any time you see a big blockbuster movie come out in which a religion of a certain type is a big blinking target, you can rest assured they are the target of the big guys behind the scenes. all you have to do is connect some dots to figure out why that was tossed into the fray.
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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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HOWEVER YOU MAY FEEL ABOUT OBAMA (And trust me, I have complaints, as do many left-wingers), DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN. VOTING REPUBLICAN BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK OF DEMOCRATS IS LIKE VOTING FOR SATAN BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK OF HITLER.



Please and thank you!



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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Really? Thanks for giving my PERSONAL opinion so much power.

So, my personal opinion would sway a vote or discredit a whole movement ? Nice try. Im just one person, a father and husband, who is mad as hell and I don't want to take it anymore, sorry if that might disturb someone.

I admit I am personally VERY angry about things like the Patriot ACT, NDAA and SOPA. I am personally very angry that the value of our dollar is going down. I make twice as much as my parents did if you go by an hourly wage... but I have less.

What makes me even more mad is the news telling people that Dr. Paul does not have a chance. Dont you remember them saying that if he won Iowa that it basicly would not count ? Ya i get a little upset when I hear them tell us 'We The People" that our votes do not count.

I am mad an Israli company is counting the votes: And some states use machines that can be hacked or progamed to change the vote ever so slightly.
www.dailypaul.com...
And no Im not mad because they are Israli but because we all know they do not want Paul in office.


Whats funny is people like you. Who equate how one person honestly feels and finally decides to say it (after years of reading this site) and some how it discredits the whole movement. Thats the same thing the people on CNN, MSNBC and FOX do. You would fit right in.

And yes I do think that the people who work for goverment bureaucracys are afraid to loose their cush jobs that they got from friends, nepotism and politcal favors. I am certain they are all over the web and very active doing everything they can to keep their cush jobs that we the tax payers pay for. And do not get me wrong I'm not for getting rid of ALL goverment agencies but you have to admit we sure could do a lot of clean up.

* On a side note I admit I voted for Obama, there I said it, I hated Bush. I believed what the media said about Ron Paul in '08. Thats what this thread is all about, Obama failing, I thought he would take his chance as the first man of colour in the Oval Office to make history, just not in the way he is doing.


Originally posted by undo



Well tough # go find a real job.
reply to post by WhereAreTheGoodguys
 


I'm a ron paul supporter but statements like that, discredit the movement.
so i'm gonna turn it right back on you and suggest YOU are a shill working for his opposition by making him look like some uncaring overlord.


Edited in : I admit it did sound a little heartless. I realize that not all of the people who work for the Goverment are bad people and they have a family too.

Just wanted to add that in. I wish no HONEST man ill will.
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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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Sure, he has messed up the country so much in the last three years. Why stop there? Give him four more years to fix his mess! Just saying.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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Not sure if She (I'm guessing) realized your comment was aimed at the bureaucrats and emotions do run heavy on these threads.

But anyway...Come-on people...were on the same side. It's us vs. them!



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:53 PM
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you can't just get rid of "cush" jobs. about the only people with jobs now are in some fashion, working for the government in "cush" jobs. that would put the entire country on unemployment, except for a few. if unemployment is axed as well, that'll put the entire country in food lines, where they will fight each other over scraps of sugar laden fat laden salt laden denatured bleached artificially flavored nitrite and nitrate loaded mush passing as food.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by NoHierarchy

HOWEVER YOU MAY FEEL ABOUT OBAMA (And trust me, I have complaints, as do many left-wingers), DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN. VOTING REPUBLICAN BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK OF DEMOCRATS IS LIKE VOTING FOR SATAN BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK OF HITLER.



Please and thank you!


Obama should be thrown in jail for treason after signing the NDAA, along with every person in office who voted for it.. 4 more years of him is not even an option. Mabey if we are lucky Obama, Bush and Cheney will be bunk mates in prison. Then Bush will really have his TRIFECTA

www.dreamscape.com...

Actually Poppy should be in there with them too.

So you are saying we should not vote Republican? Then what should we do vote for Obama again? We are full aware that all Republicans but ONE are just as bad as Obama.



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by NoHierarchy

HOWEVER YOU MAY FEEL ABOUT OBAMA (And trust me, I have complaints, as do many left-wingers), DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN. VOTING REPUBLICAN BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK OF DEMOCRATS IS LIKE VOTING FOR SATAN BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK OF HITLER.



Please and thank you!


pardon me, define slave and do so immediately before i pop a stitch.
don't so much as put one word askew.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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these your slaves?



let me guess, you think anyone who believes in anything
other than islam or communism, is a slave, right?





 
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