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Originally posted by Skibum I get the feeling you guys are looking at a photo of a round hole about 12 feet in diameter. That is a photo of the hole in the c ring. It is not a photo of the initial impact site.No, I know that's in the inner part. This is probably the clearest pic of the actual entry hole. 0911.site.voila.fr... Look at the pics on this site to get an idea of the actual size... 0911.site.voila.fr... [edit on 14-9-2004 by Damned]
0911.site.voila.fr...look at the bottom of the page here on your link its pretty much the same hole pre collapse. The other photos dont show much of the hole becasue the spray from the firefighters covers up most of it.
Originally posted by Skibum You would be surprised at the number of people who think its the outer ring though.A good clue is that on most of the pics, the words "Punch Out" are painted on the wall next to it. Yeah, I know, I bunch of sites seem to call that the "entry hole".
Many have been misled by that.
The main burden is to demonstrate conclusively that the debris found outside the Pentagon is consistent with the impact of a Boeing 757 or any
aircraft of comparable dimensions. I don't think it is. Wings shear off when planes enter holes, or go between things that the wings can't clear,
especially when they have heavy engines hanging from them. And yeah, those spools are very strange, how they don't even appear to have been
disturbed.
Originally posted by piboy Yowch, CatHerder, take it easy! Forget who said you said... let's back up... the picture you posted...Ok, since you're NITPICKING over a couple reference lines showing you the impact grooves that go over 8 inches into solid reinforced concrete and up to 1.5 feet deep into solid concrete I've shortened the lines so you can grasp what it is I am pointing out. Mother of love... And here is the the left 60% of the above photo, zoomed in. Do you ever look at the whole description and example or do you just go after the one tiny flaw in every example? I didn't outline the wing impact perfectly initially - I assumed my audience was intelligent enough to see what the hell it was I was pointing out.Why, if the wing went across that window, is there still a window there? Why isn't it broken? Or knocked out? Or melted? The wing obviously is gone, so I am trying to understand how the wing can hit that, not damaged that window, and the wing disappear? Please help.
Originally posted by CatHerderLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! We have just changed the evidence to match the theory. Wrong wrong wrong This is not an analysis. This is not objectiive. If the evidence doesn't fit the theory, you modify the theory not the evidence!Originally posted by piboy Yowch, CatHerder, take it easy! Forget who said you said... let's back up... the picture you posted...Ok, since you're NITPICKING over a couple reference lines showing you the impact grooves that go over 8 inches into solid reinforced concrete and up to 1.5 feet deep into solid concrete I've shortened the lines so you can grasp what it is I am pointing out.Why, if the wing went across that window, is there still a window there? Why isn't it broken? Or knocked out? Or melted? The wing obviously is gone, so I am trying to understand how the wing can hit that, not damaged that window, and the wing disappear? Please help.
Originally posted by zerocool excuse me but what planet are you on... actually what dimension are you in... there is no way that a plane that size caused that damage, a plane at that speed would not just crash through a wall but go through the bloody building...No, it wouldn't. It hit (as stated in the first post in this thread, and from public records as to the recent upgrades to the Pentagon, including the section that was hit on 9-11) ... a reinforced concrete wall, which was recently upgraded with reinforced steel strappings, bolted floor to ceiling, floor to ceiling kevlar shielding designed to stop bomb fragments and fragments of the wall from a bomb explosion, 2 inch thick bulletproof and bomb resistant windows with armored framing, and before it hit this it hit a very heavy desil generator in front of the wall, and a steel steam vent pipe (each engine hit an object before the plane hit the wall - the starboard engine hit a very substantial object). Read these sources before asking any more questions about the structure of the Pentagon or recent upgraded (just prior to 9-11-2001). They are provided to you in the original post - you shouldn't have to ask questions about them here. Thare are very informative fact-filled links to multiple websites including Architecture Week, Renovation.Pentagon.Mil, enr.construction.com and others. All of this is outlined in the first post - including MOST IMPORTANTLY, at least 20 links to sources outside of the original post (otherwise the post would have been 200 pages long), please go back and re-read the first post paying special attention to the Pentagon section and read the Pentagon upgrade notes contained in the links I have provided. Then, for additional reading please read the Pentagon Building Performance Report on page four of this thread (I intended to include it in the original post but couldn't locate it prior to publishing - it will be included in a future edit to the primay body of post 1). The only part of the paper that appears slightly incorrect is the assessment in their brief mention of the surveillance photo (frame 1) where they have the 757 noted in the wrong position of the film. Note: maroon text in a messge body on ths forum are LINKS to other webpages, content, etc.
HOW THE F**K CAN A PLANE GET THAT BLOODY CLOSE TO THE MOST SECURED AND GUARDED BUILDING IN THE WORLD!THIS is a great question. THIS is a superb question. THIS is the sort of question you should be asking the government, and anyone who will listen. How did the 757 get that close to the Pentagon? Who was in charge of defending the USA on 911. Who is to blame for not sending an F16 or two up to see where the heck those planes went when they turned their transponders off. Wasting time and energy asking where the 757 is (when I've shown it to everyone, and shown why it was so damaged, and shown how it caused the damage it did, and shown why it didn't do more damage, and shown that it was a 757, and shown that it wasn't a bomb, or a Global Hawk, or a Missile) is just silly. The last question you posed is the best question in this entire thread. I am 100% serious.
Originally posted by piboyMan, I've tried to be very patient with you. I've tried to cajole you through the very hard steps in understanding all the big words, and all the big hard questions that come with all the big scary pictures of the big scary building. But you will get no more responses from me. No evidence was changed - only the presentation was DUMMIED DOWN for your benefit and you still miss the point.Originally posted by CatHerderLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! We have just changed the evidence to match the theory. Wrong wrong wrong This is not an analysis. This is not objectiive. If the evidence doesn't fit the theory, you modify the theory not the evidence!Originally posted by piboy Yowch, CatHerder, take it easy! Forget who said you said... let's back up... the picture you posted...Ok, since you're NITPICKING over a couple reference lines showing you the impact grooves that go over 8 inches into solid reinforced concrete and up to 1.5 feet deep into solid concrete I've shortened the lines so you can grasp what it is I am pointing out.Why, if the wing went across that window, is there still a window there? Why isn't it broken? Or knocked out? Or melted? The wing obviously is gone, so I am trying to understand how the wing can hit that, not damaged that window, and the wing disappear? Please help.