9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon, page 23

Originally posted by Shoktek I agree with you and know that our government is responsible for many terrible things that have happened, many of which we will probably never know about. I don't think they are giving us all the facts on 9/11, and it probably does go deeper than the story they gave everyone...I am pretty sure the plane did actually hit the pentagon, although I won't be 100% until the video of it is released, or an actual independent study proves what happened in the whole attack on that day (this will probably never happen). Many strange things happened around and on 9/11, but almost all of what we can say about what happened is mere speculation...I don't think we will ever have the facts about it, and I don't think we will ever know what really happened. We didn't know about FDR's prior pearl harbor knowledge until just recently...maybe it will take another 50 or so years before we solve this thing.

Yes, I agree with you here. If no investigation is conducted, then there is no way we can get any hard physical evidence. And for the most part, I'd say that window of opportunity of an investigation is gone because the sites are cleaned up, the steel from WTC was shipped off right away and so on. The best we can have is soft physical evidence (don't know if that's really even a term) in that there is video footage and audio recordings of the WTC. The pentagon is a different matter. There isn't any available sadly. Some footage had captured it, but by now it's either destroyed, or it's still intact, but not being released for whatever reason. Beyond that though, there are testimonies and circumstantial evidence from people both on the outside, like average citizens who were caught up in that day, and from the inside of things, like agents coming out about shady things surrounding 9/11 and related matters. There is so much of this type of evidence that lends way to the belief that our government (rogue elements that is. IMO, largely the CIA) did this, that despite the lack of physical evidence available, one can become at least very confident in the assertion that the government is guilty. Then, when paired with the limited amount of video and audio that do support the circumstantial, IMO that's enough evidence for me. And yes, it may be another case similar to Pearl Harbor where, if we ever find out (at least find out from a gov source) that they were involved or something more was to the story, it won't be for a long time. Not until there is a new generation, where they will be numb to the event, due to not having lived through it. Therefore, there will be no strong movement to try and right the wrong. Granted, it takes a lot of time to delve into all the facets and all the anomalies between what the official story says happened and what reality was. Any "fact" you may come across while researching must be cross-referenced by numerous other sources to verify its validity and to make sure it's not bogus. And I believe, those responsible for 9/11, are counting on the fact that the vast majority of people won't investigate it themselves. Afterall, if the TV says this is the way it is, then that must be a done deal, no further investigation needed. Or, people are just plain lazy. Looking at just one or a few angles of the events from the conspiracy standpoint won't trigger any alarms that something is wrong just from those alone. For instance, just focusing in on the size of the hole of the pentagon, or the scattered testimonies of people who heard multiple explosions in the WTC before they fell, or even both, can be fairly easily brushed off because events like this are bound to have something strange no matter what. Someone who may come across, for the very first time, the viewpoint that the gov did it, may read a bit of it and only receive a few of the facets involved. If they stop there, and don't go on further, it's easy to not think much of it, and then try and justify it along the lines of the official story. Without getting the whole picture, the conspiracy standpoint clearly and understandably looks like there's not enough there to base it on. It in large part, looks crazy, and people start to wonder why one would hold this view. It's not until one looks at all the dimensions that it becomes clear that something is wrong. But most people don't look past the first few they may stumble upon, or even know there are more than one or two dimensions on this issue. It's a case where discrepancy builds on top of another discrepancy, an anomaly on top of an anomaly, paired with this issue, and that inconsistency, etc. where it becomes evident that the official version is wrong. It's a process. It takes diligence and patience. And of course an open mind, which is hard for anyone to achieve. An open mind doesn't mean you accept everything, but that you examine all the facts before you make a conclusion, instead of your preset conlusion dictating how you perceive the facts. That is how I came to have my opinion change drastically. And it was a definite process, and at times I really DIDN'T have an open mind, but eventually it happened all the same. I'm glad you aren't as naive as I was. I'm glad you don't put all your trust in the gov, because you shouldn't. And I apologize if I was too snippity with you, because, really, I can't blame anyone for having a hard time believing what I and others have come to realize. It's just that it gets frusterating after a period of time of being berated and seen as a wacko on this issue. Believe me, I'm not a conspiracy-aholic like some can become. And some people no-doubtedly are, which makes it exceedingly hard when an ACTUAL conspiracy is being detected by some people, because people automatically think of those crazy conspiracy addicts when anything like this is mentioned, and therefore the playing field is not level to begin with. However, ATS has not been too bad and most people are tolerant and openminded, at least more so than people outside the ATS community. Anyway, I urge people to delve into this whole issue and look at all the angles of 9/11, because considering the allegations, if it's true, don't you think it deserves your attention, scrutiny, and investigation?