9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon, page 147
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reply posted on 21-5-2006 @ 03:35 PM by ignorant_ape
what " large tungsten counterweight " ????? I am sure you will find that they are actually a stack of small tungsten counterweights dependant on exact location , some of the ballast masses on an aircraft are movable -- to compensate for fuel use and different cargo loads I have no direct experience of aircraft -- but in many other areas -- ballast and counterweights are usually made up of smaller plates its far easier to manufacture uniform interchangeable ballast plates of a given dimension , and standard mounting bracket -- than single weights of exact mass for every different application ease of maintenance - a 1000kg ballast mass needs a crane capable of handling the full load , a 1000kg ballast -- built of 50 * 20kg plates can be serviced by hand flexibility - to change trim -- you only need to add or take off a number of plates - if you have one solid mass -- you have to remove the entire mass -- and replace it with a different weight [ yes you have to have EVERY weight you require in storage - cue inventory nightmare ] flexibility redux -- one 50kg ballast plate will fit ANY application that needs 50kg of ballast , if you use common dimensions and a universal mounting system cranes -- always use a stack of plates to build up their counterweight -- for all the reasons described above tractors -- use 25kg weights clipped to a reinforced ballast bar @ the front and rear of the unit --- so that trim can be altered easily by one man with no tools as and when required so you are not looking for ONE large weight -- you are looking for a large number of small plates now do you realise why it is highly unlikely that the ballast will show up in pictures ??



reply posted on 22-5-2006 @ 05:44 AM by ignorant_ape
Originally posted by ULTIMA1 Well I have seen most of the pics of the Pentagon site while the firefighters were still spraying water on it and you do not see a chunk of the tail or the counterweights laying around.
ah , so you have reviewed all the pictures you have seen and decided to fixate on the issue of " I cannot see xxxxxxxxxxxxxx in any picture available to me " , ergo this `prooves` your " theory " that a plane did not strike the pentagon the problems with your logic are manifold I doubt you have seen - and been able to identify pictures of EVERY single piece of debris @ the pentagon -- thus you cannot honestly say that item xxxxxxxxx is absent your previous posts in this thread indicate that you are unaware just what you are actually looking for -- ie the correct weight , size and shape of a counterweight -- thus you may be staring at several of them unaware of what is shown . your assertion that no counterweight picture = proof that no Boeing passenger jet hit the pentagon is classic ` moving the goal posts ` and demanding new and different evidence that you suspect or hope does not exist -- why are you attempting to dismiss all the evidence of a Boeing @ the pentagon with one hand wave of " wot no counterweight ?" just to play silly buggers -- I can play this game too : missile ?? - there are no picks of a missile seeker head or rocket venturi - ergo - no missile hit the pentagon f-16 , a-3 , a-7 or any other military aircraft ???? -- there are no pictures of an ejector seat , cockpit canopy , pitot tube , refueling boom or any other identifiable parts of a jet fighter or strike bomber --- ergo it couldn’t have been any of these types repeat ad nauseum see ?????? lastly - military jets , missiles etc all have counterweights and ballast masses of various dimensions -- so where are the pics of these counterweights ??? you cannot have it both ways -- if you ant you obsess over no counterweight -- then just what did hit the pentagon ???


reply posted on 22-5-2006 @ 10:09 AM by vandalizor
Originally posted by billybob
Originally posted by vandalizor I think what many conspiracy people fail to realize or understand is one simple truth.
there is no simple truth. this is what no-conspiracy people 'fail' to realise. (i put that in brackets because i think half of the people who even discuss this topic are 'in on it' ala cointelpro/majestic mind control) katrina was a manufactured storm, and a trial run for bigger disasters yet to come. sherman skolnick has sent supreme court judges to JAIL. he is no lightweight, and NOT a 'theorist'. he is a voracious researcher who has been watching and attacking(and wounding) the beast of the illuminati cabal(although HE doesn't call it that) for DECADES. if you can read that marc rich story, and merely hand waive it off as fiction, then you have no business making popish remarks about what can and cannot be true in the 'real world'. because this is a 'big thread', and i must 'stay on topic': the 'new' pentagon footage shows nothing new, and has been edited, and there is no reason that it could not have been shown in september of 2001. the 'it's evidence in a trial' excuse is just about as lame as they come. the fact is, is that the government is HIDING ALL THE RELEVENT EVIDENCE of 911. that ALONE 'indicates' complicity.
I disagree, I happen to subscribe to Occams Razor, so when I am presented with 2 or more competing theories, I tend to choose the less complex one with the least amount of assumptions. Mr. Skolnick's testimony has resulted in 40 lawyers, 20 local judges, and exactly 1 federal appeals court judge jailed for bribary and misconduct. All in the state of Illinois. His research and testimony has never resulted in a Supreme Court Judge ever being tried, let alone jailed. Please don't exagerate other peoples credentials, I will check. I think him and his alledged "meteorolgist" people are completely out of their tree with the hurricane theory, but it is entertaining. Conspiracy theorists can't be choosers I guess. I did not dismiss the article as "fiction", it may infact be partly, if not wholely true. When people start making assumptions without proof, that's where they lose me. When they make statements like "an apperatis for laundering CIA Drug money" like it's a known fact, when they have no proof, I start to question the authenticity of the whole argument. If you are going to make a statement like that, you should have to back it up. Maybe it's a known fact to the people in the "know" but that doesn't cut it in court. They hit you with statements like "our undisputed appeals record" and they quote official court documents, but the quotes amount to nothing more than who the case is between or what it is about. This is only proof that they filed a case, nothing more. Prison inmates file cases in court everyday, what's that prove? How about as proof, you show us the ruling on the case? I never said our government was full of boy scouts. There are crooks there, yes. They tend to execute self preservation and self wealth accumulation more than executing the will of the people. If this thread was corruption in government, I would be there right beside you screaming for justice. Our government is too inept to execute a clandestine operation of this scale and magnitude and ensuing cover up. Our politicians biggest skill is self preservation, that alone would preclude them from signing on to something like this. This thread is about whether or not a plane hit the pentagon and to a lesser extent, the events of 9/11. Of that I am convinced that one did, and our government had nothing to due with it, other than failing to protect some 3000 Americans. If there is a coverup, my guess is they are trying to hide the extent of their failure to protect Americans, that would be more plausable, but still without proof... [edit on 22-5-2006 by vandalizor] [edit on 22-5-2006 by vandalizor]


reply posted on 23-5-2006 @ 07:47 AM by vandalizor
Originally posted by ANOK Huh? Were did you get 75 feet from? Try more like 20... LOL so the soft nose is stronger than a titanium alloy engine? Get real dude... I didn't say they were indistructable. You have obviously not looked at the pics before the building collapsed. Now go away, do some research, get caught up with the rest of us then come back and try again...
In this
article it claims one of the engines punched a 12 foot hole in the second ring. Again, I am no physics expert, but the physics experts at Purdue seem to think that the wings snapped inward and followed the fusalage into the initial hole, there by following the path of least resistance. After impact the plane ceased being a "plane" and became a "landslide" of aluminum, steel, and jet fuel. The pentagon is complete different than the WTC, it's walls are concrete, so an aircraft isn't going to slice through it like they did the WTC, but still that kinetic energy has to go somewhere. The pictures in the initial post shows what is left of one destroyed engine, inside the Pentagon. The initial hole is 20 feet wide, but the fusalage is only 13 feet wide. A fighters fusalage is only ~4-5 ft wide and it's wings are of lower mass, they would almost certainly snap off, making a much smaller hole, probably about 1/2 the size. A missile or bomb would also make a much smaller hole in the outside of the building. The video shows something cleary larger than a missile or bomb, approaching the pentagon at an altitude and attitude that is not the attack profile for a missile or bomb, but at a speed clearly too fast to be any ground based vehicle. Many eyewitnesses have said they saw an American Airlines commericial aircraft extremely low heading towards the pentagon. Light poles were knocked flat on the approach to the pentagon, the generator outside was clipped and knocked off it's axis toward the pentagon. A fighter would have crashed as soon as it hit a light pole, a missile would also likely crash or detonated the first light pole it hit, at the very least, they would have been knocked off target. None of these would have moved that generator without detonated at the generator. It would have required something with considerable mass to move that generator and continue on past it. Some "eyewitnesses" report hearing something that "sounded" like a missile, but most of the these people wouldn't know what a missile sounded like. Not to mention that there isn't a missile in the arsenal that would cause that much damage to a building like the pentagon after hitting it from the side. NOBODY reports seeing anything even remotely resembling a global hawk and it is pretty unmistakable, you would definately know it if you saw one. So if a commercial aircraft didn't hit the pentagon, what did? If this is a conspiracy, why the pentagon? Why not just the WTC and call it a day? Why the elaborate scheme to make it look like an AA aircraft hit the pentagon only to have something else hit it? Why switch your MO in mid conspiracy (planes for WTC, but something different for the pentagon). I swear you guys give our government way too much credit. No way they pull this off and keep a lid on it, the amount of loose ends is just staggering for a government conspiracy. I guess you will believe what you want to believe, since there are not photos of every bolt of the aircraft available to you, you equate that to government conspiracy and coverup. Fine, I don't follow that, but fine. Radical Islam is the fascism of the modern world. You want boogey men, there you have them. [edit on 23-5-2006 by vandalizor]
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