aircraft can be modified. especially for above top secret global espionage reichstag fires. a global hawk could be retrofitted with high speed wings, much the same as a skywarrior could be modified, as suggested by tomflocco.com, much the same as global hawk guidance could have been covertly added to ALL the 'hijacked' planes on 911. that would explain the perfect skill of these newbie pilots. there are top secret black projects, and even legit projects that are top secret. there are no web links to reference these things, obviously. does that mean that all research into NEW weapons and aircraft have ceased? because we can't link to them on the web? it is POSSIBLE that a new technology was used. it was catherder's analogy of a plastic straw poking through an apple. well, a 757 or similiar is THREE straws. the blades aren't the strongest thing, the tubular casing is. especially when it's lined up against the resistance, like a straw through an apple. it is that small hole, and lack of SIGNIFIGANT damage from the wings(compared to the cartoon cutouts at the towers, and missing, AT LEAST, the engine holes).

Originally posted by Zaphod58 Just LOOK at the Global Hawk. Anyone that knows aerodynamics can tell that it's designed for slow flight and loitering over an area.

Did somebody say "loitering"?

Vaughn: There wasn't anything in the air, except for one airplane, and it looked like it was loitering over Georgetown, in a high, left-hand bank. That may have been the plane. I have never seen one on that pattern.

RQ-4 Global Hawk Specifications Primary Function: High Altitude Endurance Unmanned Aerial Reconnaissance System Contractor: Northrop Grumman, Ryan Aeronautical Center Crew: None Unit Cost: N/A Powerplant One Rolls Royce (Allison) AE3007H Engine at 7,150 lb thrust Dimensions Length: 44.4 feet Wingspan: 116.2 feet Height: 15.2 feet Weights Empty: 25,600 lb -- estimated Maximum Takeoff: N/A Performance Speed: 454 mph Ceiling: 65,000 feet Endurance: 42 hours

Originally posted by Zaphod58 500mph was based on the object in the video that was released. I believe it was figured to be travelling at 504mph. The aerodynamics for a Global Hawk are all wrong for it to anywhere NEAR that fast, even in a dive, unless is was going nearly vertical.

It was going 345-350 mph upon impact.

Wow, so not ONLY were ALL those people that did the math wrong, but they weren't even bothering to fly the plastic plane at its top speed? what would be the point of that? If you're gonna slam into a building you want MORE speed not less.

Originally posted by Zaphod58 Wow, so not ONLY were ALL those people that did the math wrong, but they weren't even bothering to fly the plastic plane at its top speed? what would be the point of that? If you're gonna slam into a building you want MORE speed not less.

Really? So lets' see, if it was a 757 and it did hit at 500 mph, how come 'they' didn't fly the 757 at top speed which is over 600 mph? They didn't NEED to fly the A/C at top speed, it was a very tricky manouver and had to hit it's intended target acurately. I doubt a Hawk could pull those manouvers at it's top speed. You do know about how speed effects control surfaces right? Also it would have been armed with some kind of missile and the speed it hit at was obviously enough. Again, top speed is measured in LEVEL flight at sea level. WOW do you like to grasp for straws or what?.... [edit on 23/1/2006 by ANOK]

So you're claiming that a 757 at 500 mph wouldn't penetrate the walls because it's "soft aluminum" but a Global Hawk, made entirely out of COMPOSITES, would penetrate at 150mph SLOWER.

Originally posted by Zaphod58 So you're claiming that a 757 at 500 mph wouldn't penetrate the walls because it's "soft aluminum" but a Global Hawk, made entirely out of COMPOSITES, would penetrate at 150mph SLOWER.

No a Global Hawk or something similar being blown up at the entry point while at the same time charges are detonated throughout the Pentagon.

Originally posted by Zaphod58 So you're claiming that a 757 at 500 mph wouldn't penetrate the walls because it's "soft aluminum" but a Global Hawk, made entirely out of COMPOSITES, would penetrate at 150mph SLOWER.

LOL you really know how to get to the bottom of a conspiricy don't you? You think you're talking to 3 yr olds or what? Do we have to answer every stupid little question you can think of? Sry I'm not trying to be rude but this is getting old and tireing.

In regards to debris, (and this may have already been brought up but I ain't reading 135 pages of this) Wouldn't it be fairly easy and common evil guy sense to load a drone or small plane or big plane or whatever with a few 757 parts if you're gonna try to say that's what hit your building? If you want to frame your kid sister for throwing mud at you, you smear mud on your face, lay down, and start with the cryin'. I'm a fence sitter on this issue so I'm just throwin' it out there.

i can't believe this thread hasn't been deleted yet. it has been THOROUGHLY debunked. i have a question for the mods because i don't want to overstep any of the numerous rules. can we start another thread with the content from the debunk to this thread if we don't link the "external source"?

You may ask nothing until you learn where the shift key is.

huh? is that another one of the "rules" here? you have to capitalize your sentences? i choose not to in online forums. they are informal conversation as far as i am concerned. you cats really need to lighten up.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne signature Administrator of tolerance and love.

Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle i have a question for the mods because i don't want to overstep any of the numerous rules.

An interesting view into the mind of people like yourself there. You obviously have serious issues with rules so maybe that's the real motivation that people such as yourself have, even if it's not on a conscious level. Are you eager to destroy all Government so you can reign in your own version of the world? You see, a lot of us just want the Government to function better and be honest, but your general dislike for anybody telling you what to do disturbs me. I notice it a lot in quite a few people who claim to be 'fighting the NWO'. Are you sure you're not just fighting for the right to do as you like and to hell with anyone else? Why do you get so upset about rules? Does it not occur to you that they are in place to make things a more enjoyable experience for everyone? Don't you find it odd that thousands of people live under the rules and are happy because of it - so they might be a good thing? Or do you just see them as a pesky nuisance there to stop you doing what you want? Do you have the same disregard for the law?

Didn't I tell you? We are shizophrenic, so don't throw my other personality at me. So, you are saying that all the members here that my be reading your "postings" are not worthy of the respect of showing decent grammar, punctuation and spelling? Hmmm, I'd say you, cat, are light enough for the rest of us cats. To answer your original question; no.

wow! talk about a wild inference. dude i asked a simple question. i didn't ask for a pseudopsychoanalysis for gods sake! if you are not a mod or don't know the rules enough to answer my question then leave it alone. in fact i think this would qualify as an ad hominem attack and should cost you points!

No not really, I'm just curious how you think - I was hoping you could either verify or deny my theories. It's interesting to see what the underlying psycology is of people in general, and what motivates them to write/say what they do. You make an interesting study piece, but if you don't want to co-operate with my research then that's fine - you don't have to be so jumpy!

Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle i didn't ask for a pseudopsychoanalysis for gods sake!

What makes you think I don't understand elements of psycology? I usually get into people's heads remarkably well, maybe the thought of someone understanding the way you think scares you - something to hide? [edit on 24-1-2006 by AgentSmith]

Dude, I am an administrator, but even with the admin panel that I have to misuse, I can't even give me a warn! As far as an ad hominy grits attack, I don't think I did that. As far as answering your question, my other personalities told me to keep it simple, which is why I gave you the short answer of, no. Short enough - again?

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne Didn't I tell you? We are shizophrenic, so don't throw my other personality at me. So, you are saying that all the members here that my be reading your "postings" are not worthy of the respect of showing decent grammar, punctuation and spelling? Hmmm, I'd say you, cat, are light enough for the rest of us cats. To answer your original question; no.

my grammar and spelling are fine. stylistically online i prefer not to capitalize. is it against the rules? why would you get all uppity about it and act like it's a "diss" on you? and why can't we start a debunk thread of this thread? which rule does it break?