9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon, page 129

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Originally posted by bsbray11 I hope you're just on a bad trip from Merc, because that remark seriously pisses me off and I don't much appreciate it at all. I didn't say a single disrespectful thing to you in that post. I was simply pointing out that real agents aren't going to wander on the site in some drunken fashion without covering their tracks. You have one dancing in your face right now and can't tell the difference, and then start on how I would just *LOVE* to prove my crazy-assed theories right (what a dream for a loser like me!!), but am too damned stupid to!
And who's that then? Howard? So anyone that disagrees with your view or finds evidence going against what you want to believe is automatically an Agent are they?

Why, yes. That's exactly what I said. Everyone that disagrees with me is an agent. I especially like how you put that quote there before saying that, to show exactly that I said just that.

Personally I'm pretty sick of idiots referring to me as an agent just because it's in my screen name or because I find aspects of some of the alternative theories preposterous.

Well maybe you should bring that up with them and not me. I don't appreciate the association.

As for the ex-military guy, as you say I doubt he was supposed to be an undercover agent, it was far to sloppy. But there is a possibility he was told to come on here. The oddest thing was the way his biography was changed from a rather detailed breakdown of his war efforts into one or two lines. Sloppy for professionals but still odd behaviour, personally I saw his history as a positive thing, but he didn't seem to think people would. But regardless of that, the point still stands that a highly professional and decorated individual connected with FEMA and the camp in question actually saw fit to alter all his online details and actually come on ATS to rebut an article on here written by Val, that in itself is something.

Something on the level of a lone nut coming on here and posting, yes.

As for looking for agents, I personally think that there are more likely candidates in people like Merc, and a couple of other long-term members who shout from the conspiracy side of the fence. I can't believe anyone apparantly so intelligent and committed to the 9/11 truth movement will keep everyone busy after 5 years talking about technicalities which cannot be proved when there are more serious matters to be discussed.

Well maybe you can shed some light on who's behind the disinformation program that's against the American populace despite the federal government. Is it the Soviets? Does al Qaeda have a disinfo program up and running? Maybe with some help from the CIA, but then that would rather defeat the whole argument that the government wasn't in on 9/11.

I think the constant accusing of people being agents is part of a smoke screen to conceal their own identities and true motivations.... Food for thought..

The only person I'm accusing of being an agent is HowardRoark, and not as an attack, but rather matter-of-factly. Actually, when I first joined ATS, one of the first things I was told in private discourse with a certain other, very respected member here is that there was a strong suspicion that something with Howard was especially dishonest. As an example I can give you, Howard still plays to not understand the very arguments he's been trying to debunk for God-knows-how-long as the circle goes around each time. The argument that the towers fell symmetrically while ejecting debris in an even radial fashion within a center of gravity within the building has been dissected by Mr. Roark a number of times to make it seem as though we demo theorists contradict ourselves, along the lines of "how can the buildings fall into their own footprints AND most of the debris be ejected outwards?" Of course the argument does not contradict itself in the least, as the center of gravity is within the footprint and no one is claiming that the majority of the mass landed within it. Now I hope you will agree that this is not fair play. Neither can it be claimed that Howard does not properly understand the argument, because, as I've said, it's been clarified for him time and again every time the circle goes around, and he's probably even addressed the point from another light to show his understanding of it. I'm sure you realize how intelligent he comes across. It's not mistake that he continually misses the point and plays ignorant. If you'd like, I can go through his posts and point out such behavior as we've seen it from our "side" for months. I've seen him post as if he were outraged at commercialization of the Constitution, by Amazon.com charging money for a copy of it (which of course suggests that he's a deeply patriotic, or at least moral person, no?), but then in a later he would refer to the Vice President as "Cheany." That comes from being insincere, and again, I could go through and find all sorts of these types of things that just make you go "huh??" He'll commonly create a line of inquiry that leads a topic right away from where it was originally headed, such as when someone questioned whether or not either Flight 11 or 175 actually hit the WTC, and Howard cleverly responded "Looks like a 767 to me," with a photo to accompany. And you'll hardly ever catch him responding to something to which he can't, or responding to any posts that call out misleading or outright false information. He once claimed that the smoke in the WTC did not darken as time went on. In a subsequent post I showed conclusively that this was not the case and that Howard had lied outright. But Howard did not respond. This is typical; it goes on all the time and you never notice it because you're on the other side of the fence, so to speak. It's a combination of all sorts of misleading and selective responses and subtle psychology and etc. Whether or not he is actually an agent, this behavior would nonetheless be quite becoming of an agent. And again - this IS NOT meant as an attack! These are just my observations, as well as the observations of many others that have been debating Howard. I'll reserve names, but off the top of my head, including myself, I can think of six people that I've had communications with that agree with this idea. And Smith, you'll be glad to know that none of them think you are an agent. It's actually become common knowledge between a number of us, as I've discovered through U2U's with various people on our "side" that Howard is an unusual exception to the masses of people that reply to the 9/11 conspiracy threads from a view of the official side. It isn't a matter of just disagreeing. It's a matter of leading lines of questions down dark alleys, so to speak, and subtle uses of psychology that provoke one answer that is in a totally opposite direction than a more relevant one, etc. I've studied psychology. Howard uses it, among other tactics as you can find listed through Google searches, and I suspect he knows exactly what he's doing. Regardless - his behavior is absolutely uncanny and consistent and he's much too intelligent to not know what he's doing, and he knows the material too well, and thus my suspicion. And that is, again, a rather common, though little spoken-of, suspicion here on this part of ATS. I hope that clears things up a bit, as to exactly what criteria I go by for making such claims. I obviously was not referring to you, Smith.