So I've been seeing for a while now lots of anti-war, anti-government, anti-war on terrorism opinions floating around on here and I just thought I'd share my thoughts.

When people say the US sticks it's nose in other countries business that is for the most part true. But not being in the Middle East wouldn't prevent terrorist attacks. In a video Ron Paul said something along the lines of "they don't hate our freedom, they hate us because we're invading their countries" which is definitely true to a degree but what about all the terrorist attacks on other 1st world countries that aren't involved in the war? Terrorists attack those countries too because they are threatening their radicals values. Whether you think it's not "proper" or polite or whatever, those terrorists who have radical, primitive, and/or religious views are being pushed out by more developed countries and they feel threatened. Which has happened time and time again in history.

The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was horribly planned and just an awful way to go about it. Sending in massive amounts of ground troops to fight an uninformed enemy who use guerrilla tactics? That's going to be a slaughter. I know ATS isn't the most Obama-loving website but he has the right idea when it comes to fighting an insurgency. Spec-ops teams and predator drones and all that. It is a shame there is war and death but there has to be. If it's not them, it's us. All animals have survived on this concept since the dawn of time. Regardless of our involvement in the Middle East i'm sure there would still be terrorist attacks and things would still be in the crapper. Especially with all this news of Iran. Sometimes things have to die out, especially with such a modernized world. Like I said I wish it wasn't this way and although it's a shame, it is this way. And there's not much to be done about it.

As for our troops, it pains me to see such hatred towards them. They are whether you like it or not they're protecting your safety in one way or another. For all the bad eggs there are, there are way more good ones. But people don't notice the good ones because people always focus on the negatives. Personally, I want big, tough, scary dudes fighting for our side. Wars aren't won with hugs and kisses, they're won by the men and women who are brave enough to do what most of us can't or wont. Not all of them join for the right reasons, some of them are probably in there just to kill and get money but it's irresponsible to think such a massive amount of personal can be psychologically micro-managed like that.

It would also be irresponsible and dangerous to completely pull out of these wars and it is childish to think that if we were to cease operations everything would be rainbows and sugar.

The point is, wars have to be fought, cultures and empires have to crumble, and people have to die. I for one am pretty damn grateful I live such a cozy life. Where I can tell you all my insignificant views that will inevitably cause hate towards me.

I don't know if this is the right forum, and I'd tell the mods to "feel free to move it" but I'm sure they'd do it without my permission. Which is totally fine by me.

I don't agree with the aspect that the US has to keep the lid on other countries uprisings and civil unrests.
Thats what the UN was created for.
Let the US step back, and the global community step up.
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wars have to be fought

I'd say 95% of the time, no they don't.

They are whether you like it or not they're protecting your safety in one way or another.

How exactly? Can you elaborate on this?

Will people's daily lives and routines in the United States be fundamentally affected or changed if American troops leave Afghanistan?

Wars aren't won with hugs and kisses, they're won by the men and women who are brave enough to do what most of us can't or wont.

Such as what? Urinating on dead bodies?

I don't know what kind of psychological tests if any, the U.S military has for new recruits, but it seems to me that they're recruiting a rather large quota of sociopaths.

If not actively recruiting them, then they are certainly breeding them in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by Kram09

Wars aren't won with hugs and kisses, they're won by the men and women who are brave enough to do what most of us can't or wont.

Such as what? Urinating on dead bodies?

Dragging a dead decapitated westerner through the streets or hanging the burnt body while in a orgy of hate is so much more civil...

Originally posted by Kram09
The whole "They did it first!" or "They started it!" argument is quite shallow.

Let me know when somebody makes that argument on this thread.

After all isn't the United States supposed to be the good guys?

This justifies beheading, burning and hanging of bodies how?

To have the high moral ground and be the bastion of freedom and human rights?

Nobody is clean nor have the moral high ground.
All sides are filthy.

Originally posted by Kram09
No, beheading people and dragging them through the street is not more civilised. It's vile.

We can agree on that

But it seems you're using that as some kind of justification or reason for the marines urinating on the dead bodies.

Then what was the meaning of your original comment? You were the one who thought it wise to bring up the urination in your reply.

Originally posted by Kram09
What I meant, was that the United States professes to be a champion of liberty and human rights, yet time and time again their actions speak otherwise and that in itself is hypocritical.

So the actions of a few represent the whole?

Just like the images of those who are in an orgy of hate kicking and beheading westerns then stringing up their burnt bodies doesn't represent all of the ME.

Right?