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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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The other thing confusing me...the first link says look to the founding fathers (which I do) not the mess we have now and the 2nd link says no...democracy and tradition bad...so even the Illuminati themselves have different stories......omg...I hope something happens soon so we know already. Well. I do agree democracy sucks (we are supposed to be a republic)...but I believe in making it on your own..the writer in one says work for what you get, but then the other sounds like share the wealth socialism...


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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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I am a recovering Catholic trying to find my place in the world. So I do understand what they are saying. Still trying to figure out if I believe the one being thing or the mother nature/universe as an entity thing. I will continue reading the link, I like to see all sides.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:38 AM
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You don't become an Illuminist, you are born one. The non-born are a fraternity of men that seek power and control = evil. The born illuminist seeks knowledge, enlightenment and light.

The book does exist and eventually finds it's way to the true illuminist children who can interpret it. There are many fake claims and like any product manufactured; bootleg copy cats.

There is no need to be in the media, or to receive fame, or wealth. The illuminati isn't about control or manipulation, that is a human attribute that the real illuminist is born with out. Just like the god gene.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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The other thing confusing me...the first link says look to the founding fathers (which I do) not the mess we have now and the 2nd link says no...democracy and tradition bad...so even the Illuminati themselves have different stories......omg...I hope something happens soon so we know already. Well. I do agree democracy sucks (we are supposed to be a republic)...but I believe in making it on your own..the writer in one says work for what you get, but then the other sounds like share the wealth socialism...


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what a goob...meant to edit.
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Hehe the first link are not made by the illuminati, that is a site which was used by guys to bash the illuminati, until they understood that they where actually the good guys... So they are really just confused and are voicing their own opinions on most things.

the 2nd link is the real deal, with many of the adam weisshaupt techings and veiwpoints on things, mixed with current illuminati and Goethe, etc.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by NeoVain
 


I am a recovering Catholic trying to find my place in the world. So I do understand what they are saying. Still trying to figure out if I believe the one being thing or the mother nature/universe as an entity thing. I will continue reading the link, I like to see all sides.


That is wise of you.
This is really just a bunch of philosophy, from some of the greatest(but also most suppressed) thinkers of our past.

I agree, it is interesting to try to understand them, and thusly also understand why they have been suppressed, and by who...



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by Captain Beyond
Hmmmm...this sounds like the devil telling all the people he is not evil, but there to help them? What would you have them tell you?


you think that if the devil was going to be telling people he is not evil.. it would be in this type of manner? you'd think it would be wheels within wheels of deception to a level of intelligently planned lies that even you (yes you ) could not decipher it...

what if the vatican's the devil in disguise.. what if the god in the bible is the devil in disguise...


aint that simple...

if the illuminati were doing something absolutely evil and someone wanted to smear them.. they've done a good job.

the majority of people who claim to be 'awake' to what's 'going on' think the Illuminati are the evil ones.

though the illuminati's original goal was to do away with inequality and the 'old world order' (old money .. monarchies etc..) .. and bring true wisdom to the people.... you'd think that old world money would do anything and everything in their power to demonize them and push the public against them no?



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 01:17 AM
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i heard the same thing...from an anonymous blogger...on infowars...who said they were with the illuminati...and this was 3 years ago. We had an EXTENSIVE conversation. He explained to me, that there was a war going on, between the elite. So, there could be some truth to this.

And, before you go scoffing at infowars, let me just say, Alex has awakened many-a-people....even if he is a bit of a fear monger, and a little obnoxious. Cut the guy some slack....he's doing his part...even if you don't agree with it. Heck, Alex woke me up to lots of things. He at LEAST points you in the right direction.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by nuttin4U
i heard the same thing...from an anonymous blogger...on infowars...who said they were with the illuminati...and this was 3 years ago. We had an EXTENSIVE conversation. He explained to me, that there was a war going on, between the elite. So, there could be some truth to this.

And, before you go scoffing at infowars, let me just say, Alex has awakened many-a-people....even if he is a bit of a fear monger, and a little obnoxious. Cut the guy some slack....he's doing his part...even if you don't agree with it. Heck, Alex woke me up to lots of things. He at LEAST points you in the right direction.


I agree about Alex, he is not right on everything, but he can sure put the light on some of the valid issues sometimes, like Flouride. He can be very obnoxious on some issues though, even when he is clearly wrong about something... I mostly agree with him on things though.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by NeoVain
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Please do, challenge still stands.

Trying to attack them with finding a way they are trying to sell something is just cheap and you know it. All that info is free, even the stuff in those books.

I start to think you are really with the TPTB or OWO here dude.. jsut look at the frigging content!!

it is basically 35 ebooks worth of information, by adam weisshapt ffs.


All that info is free because it is what people refer to as VIRAL MARKETING.



The website is registered to a Mike Hockney

You can buy his books on Amazon.com

Dear lord...

And he even claims to have a interview with a "top Illuminati" where they mention the secrets of "the Illuminati" are in the books he sells.

Give me a break.

Not even a good fraud.

Oh and I think you were referring to Weishaupt*, but you spelled it weisshapt.




I start to think you are really with the TPTB or OWO here dude.. jsut look at the frigging content!!


And yes, I am the closest thing to "TPTB" that you will ever get near....



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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And here again you show your ignorance.


So, you have created new coded "legends"? In a manner of speaking. We hired a successful ghost-writer to create four coded 'novels' for us that would outline our purpose. The chosen writer was handsomely rewarded and sworn to secrecy. But… I apologise for pausing for so long. Let me just say that he will not be writing the fourth and final part. I am not permitted to tell you any more than that. We are seeking a new ghost-writer to complete the task. Did your enemies find the writer? Did they harm him? Or recruit him, perhaps? I cannot comment on any of that. The three completed novels are attributed to "Mike Hockney". Is that a pseudonym? Yes.


Straight from that link in my op if you just bother to scroll down a few screen, but i guess you are busy with searching angles of attack instead of actually reading what they say.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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No, you show your ignorance.

How does a pseudonym change the fact that this is a viral marketing strategy to sell books?


In short, based on your impression of this website, I can...

Create a website claiming I am the Illuminati, publish books related to the subject, earn money from the books. And therefore, I would be the Illuminati, because I and my website said so.

No questions asked.
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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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I posted a thread about this a while back -
clicky

to those who mock the contents within the page, i warn that it would be folly to turn away from a true gift. of course, most of you cannot actually fathom and disseminate enough of the information within to truly gain from it, and thus shun it - to be expected! no less, i recommend reading it all -

i suspect it was written by the Hidden Hand, which some of you ATSers might recall - there was at one point a section on him entirely, perhaps his ego could not resist a subtle wink.


excellent information for the seeker.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by boncho
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No, you show your ignorance.

How does a pseudonym change the fact that this is a viral marketing strategy to sell books?


In short, based on your impression of this website, I can...

Create a website claiming I am the Illuminati, publish books related to the subject, earn money from the books. And therefore, I would be the Illuminati, because I and my website said so.

No questions asked.
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They are offered for free on the website - I have downloaded them all. (:



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:11 AM
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I went to the beer store today, and they gave me a free tshirt with my 24 pack.

What's your point?



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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I sincerely doubt the authenticity of that site.. The illuminati are a very secretive group that would not post their daily news on a site named www.illuminati-news.com.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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Interesting post, especially to me considering for the last while i have been thinking the same thing. the saying goes " if an opinion is popular it is usually wrong". It seems now days the word Illuminati is almost a household name and everyone seems to have jumped on the bandwagon that they are in fact evil, it makes perfect sense that the real evil men (should i say beings?) running the world into the ground would single out their opposition and persevere in belittling them and turning the general population against them and what better way then to adopt their name. I would like to point out that in the bible Satan has done the same, because people call him Lucifer when he is not, Lucifer means light bearer, the main confusion originally came from Isiah 14 where in the original hebrew texts it says heylel in place of where it has now been changed into lucifer by st jerome i might add (one of the greatest conspiracies of all time).

If we look into the past in the bible we see that over time and through the council of nicea the true sayings of Jesus (Yeshua) were altered, and quite likely heavily so, for example in luke 22 vs 10 Jesus supposedly tells his disciples to follow the water bearer into the house which he entereth in, well this is obviously referring to the sign of Aquarius and is alluding to a form of astro theology, this is not what Jesus originally taught, this is in fact a picture of paganism being painted over a being who literally was not of this universe but in stead from beyond. Yeshua came from the race of eternal angels and he came here to teach us that the god of the old testament was not in fact the God of truth, but instead the demiurge, Abrasax a demi god hence a jealous god.
The moral of this story is dont believe everything you are told we live in a world of darkness, we live in the "devils" playground but many of us contain a divine spark within that is of the God of truth, the essence of the Christ therefore rendering as the illuminated ones.....



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by boncho
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I went to the beer store today, and they gave me a free tshirt with my 24 pack.

What's your point?


You drink a lot more than you think, I'd wager.

I was (or, rather, I am currently) pointing out that the website is not merely a ploy to sell books.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:18 AM
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I sincerely doubt the authenticity of the site. The Illuminati are a very secretive group that would not post their daily news on a site named www.illuminati-news.com



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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There are more information on that website than in the books. The books are just a sideshow, which is free by the way, but anyone that wants them can of course buy them if they want, why not?

You still don´t realize how hollow your argument is do you? Or just playing dumb?



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Phosophoros
Interesting post, especially to me considering for the last while i have been thinking the same thing. the saying goes " if an opinion is popular it is usually wrong". It seems now days the word Illuminati is almost a household name and everyone seems to have jumped on the bandwagon that they are in fact evil, it makes perfect sense that the real evil men (should i say beings?) running the world into the ground would single out their opposition and persevere in belittling them and turning the general population against them and what better way then to adopt their name. I would like to point out that in the bible Satan has done the same, because people call him Lucifer when he is not, Lucifer means light bearer, the main confusion originally came from Isiah 14 where in the original hebrew texts it says heylel in place of where it has now been changed into lucifer by st jerome i might add (one of the greatest conspiracies of all time).

If we look into the past in the bible we see that over time and through the council of nicea the true sayings of Jesus (Yeshua) were altered, and quite likely heavily so, for example in luke 22 vs 10 Jesus supposedly tells his disciples to follow the water bearer into the house which he entereth in, well this is obviously referring to the sign of Aquarius and is alluding to a form of astro theology, this is not what Jesus originally taught, this is in fact a picture of paganism being painted over a being who literally was not of this universe but in stead from beyond. Yeshua came from the race of eternal angels and he came here to teach us that the god of the old testament was not in fact the God of truth, but instead the demiurge, Abrasax a demi god hence a jealous god.
The moral of this story is dont believe everything you are told we live in a world of darkness, we live in the "devils" playground but many of us contain a divine spark within that is of the God of truth, the essence of the Christ therefore rendering as the illuminated ones.....


Thank you sire, a brilliant post.

You might be interested to know your namesake Phosphorous was the Greek name for Venus, who co-incidently is the Lightbearer himself/herself- interestingly enough, 'phosphorescence' means the glow after illumination.


Curious, a quick search through Wickedfeed-i.a. brings up this interesting bit (if you are one for archetypal meanings, and believe that words will always contain fragments of the original form no matter how many times it has been translated, transmutated
) "Phosphorescence is a specific type of photoluminescence related to fluorescence. Unlike fluorescence, a phosphorescent material does not immediately re-emit the radiation it absorbs. The slower time scales of the re-emission are associated with "forbidden" energy state transitions in quantum mechanics"

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