Why I will have no pity for anyone if Ron Paul doesn't win, page 2
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reply posted on 10-1-2012 @ 11:17 PM by TDawgRex
Originally posted by mossme89
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Government continually fails at what it claims to do, and we figure throwing even MORE money into that pit will turn the situation around?

That's kinda like saying "hey, if we put more water into the Titanic, maybe it will float!" (They did try that btw.)


Here's your Titanic corollary. It’s humorous, but yet so, so true. I can't remember where I copied it from...it may have been here on ATS or sent to me in a email.


What would all the world's experts and authorities say today if the Titanic were sinking but nobody was willing to admit it? The U.S. economy, after all, is sinking and taking on an unprecedented volume of water (i.e. debt), yet virtually no one is willing to admit the obvious fact that this ship is sinking. And much like with the Titanic, most "experts" continue to claim the U.S. economy is unsinkable, despite the obvious evidence that we might want to start heading for the life rafts

So in the spirit of comedy -- which is, after all, what we are witnessing in Washington these days -- imagine The Titanic hitting an iceberg in 2011, followed by a string of experts all trying to spin the story their own way. Here's what they might say:

The White House Press Secretary: The iceberg was placed in the Atlantic ocean by Al-Queda

The chemist: That's not an iceberg. It's merely solid-state di-hydrogen oxide.

Al Gore: That iceberg wouldn't have even been there if the polar caps weren't melting.

The Congressman: Quick, let's pass a new law that says ships shall not sink.

President Obama: The Titanic isn't sinking. It's merely engaged in "aquatic action."

Former President Bush: Icebergs are weapons of mass destruction planted in the ocean by terrorists. We must take the war on terrorism to the iceberg terrorists!

The Pentagon: We will equalize the hole in one side of the ship by blowing a matching hole in the other side.

The TSA inspector: You're not allowed onto a lifeboat until we check your anus for explosives.

The Cancer Doctor: We can't fix the hole in the ship, but through the miracle of chemotherapy, we can make you suffer so much that you won't care.

The Wall Street investment banker: Don't worry, the Fed will bail out all the water we're taking on. The Titanic is too big to fail.

The teenage girl: Can I still text on my iPhone under water?

Congressman Weiner: Yes you can, and by the way, here's a very special "going away" message for you to remember me by.

Average Joe: Is the ship's buffet still open?

The FDA: We believe the ship is sinking because of an e.coli infection that spread from the galley.

The CDC: Everybody should get vaccinated before the ship sinks, just in case there's a shark-flu virus in the water.

The New Ager: There is no hole in the ship unless you believe there is a hole in the ship.

The Academic: I have published a paper that proves this ship is unsinkable. Would anyone like to read it? Please?

The Catholic priest: I think we should save all the children first. Which lifeboat are they on again?

The Muslim Imam: This is the Jews fault!

The Journalist: The Titanic has a hole in its side, but official sources tell us it's only "aquatic action" and there's no cause for alarm. And we believe them.

The Federal Reserve: We have decided to dump more water onto the ship in the hope of making it float.

The Federal Government: Hey, these deck chairs look pretty nice. Let's buy more and rearrange them!

The Doctor: We need to order a couple dozen CT scans of the ship's null and bill them to Medicare before we have any idea at all what to do.

The Denialist: Stop talking about negative things. Stay focused on the positive and you won't need a life vest.

The Realist: This ship is going down, folks. You might want to think about taking action to keep yourself alive.

The Gullible Masses: Don't worry, this ship is unsinkable. Even if it did sink, there are plenty of lifeboats. Even if there aren't enough lifeboats, we all have life jackets. Even if we don't have enough life jackets, the government will come save us.

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reply posted on 11-1-2012 @ 06:26 AM by dannotz
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Sorry, don't mean to offend..but i think you're way off base.

Paul supporters love him because he isn't the "system" candidate. Watch some of the debates, what him speak. And then compare it to the other candidates. Should become crystal clear.





Remember, Deny Ignorance.


reply posted on 11-1-2012 @ 06:29 AM by dannotz
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And yes, we have seen Pauls "true colors" for the past 60 years. He's the most consistent, honest, non-corrupt out of all of them.

If Paul would give away his dignity and flip-flop just for votes he would've gone back on a lot of his ideals in the past few months to please the common voter. (especially his "dangerous" foreign policy)

I agree with you reply-er.




reply posted on 11-1-2012 @ 10:22 AM by Mescalito
So, time for me to ask some questions.

Ive been reading a lot of Ron Paul threads here, and everybody is saying he is the one who can get America out of trouble... so that must mean he will get a lot of power right?
Im not sure how the american government works in detail, but im almost sure that everything this Ron Paul wants to change has to be approved by another piece of government (Senate, Cabinet, Departments).

So unless Ron Paul has a lot of friends in those places, he cant do anything by himself.

Then you have the problem that the republicans dotn even know which frontrunner they think is best to set the tracks for the next 4 years. That means there is a whole party (in a two party system) who doesnt know yet who they will be supporting, and as far as I hear, the republicans arent fond of Ron Paul. So if he becomes president, can you really be sure his own party will help and defend him in everything he wants to change, while they are now still fighting eachother in their own party?

And of course, there is the conspiracy part in the story which I cant let behind on this side:

Many of you guys say everything is very well planned ahead by "TPTB". If thats so, ask yourself this question: If Ron Paul wants to chance a lot of things for "the best", lies that in the same line as what TPTB wants? When the answer is NO, then your screwed and Ron wont be elected. If the answer is YES, then Ron will be elected but it would also mean TPTB can use him to follow their path... which in the end wouldnt be so nice, would it?

Now, Im not saying you shouldnt support the guy, if you think he can chance America and make things better, then vote for him. The other candidates (as far as I know) are all warmongers, idiots, golddiggers etc. Im just questioning how realistic it is to expect from him to chance everything he wants...

..cause you heard that earlier with Obama: "Change" and "Yes we can!"... which turned out to be: "I guess we cant"


(ps: this was not ment to flame Ronnie-boy, cause if you would put another candidate like Obama in everyplace where you can read Ron Paul, you still would get the same outcome)
(pps: and of course, mind my lack of insight in the american politics, Im dutch, thats my excuse! )


reply posted on 11-1-2012 @ 11:05 AM by SavedOne
Originally posted by Mescalito
Ive been reading a lot of Ron Paul threads here, and everybody is saying he is the one who can get America out of trouble... so that must mean he will get a lot of power right?
Im not sure how the american government works in detail, but im almost sure that everything this Ron Paul wants to change has to be approved by another piece of government (Senate, Cabinet, Departments).


You are correct. The president is one cog in a machine. He doesn't control the machine, and in fact he's not even a critical part of the machine when it comes to legislation. If we send the same old senators and representatives to Washington then putting Paul into the oval office is likely just going to cause a lot of conflict and frustration all around.

Originally posted by Mescalito
Then you have the problem that the republicans dotn even know which frontrunner they think is best to set the tracks for the next 4 years. That means there is a whole party (in a two party system) who doesnt know yet who they will be supporting, and as far as I hear, the republicans arent fond of Ron Paul.


I wouldn't call that a "problem", that's just the way the process works. Once the candidate is determined then the party will rally behind him whoever he (or she) is.

Originally posted by Mescalito..cause you heard that earlier with Obama: "Change" and "Yes we can!"... which turned out to be: "I guess we cant"


Obama ran on a platform of "change", but he never bothered to define what that meant. It was a nice buzzword, no one can disagree with "change" when "change" has no definition. Hey, I give him credit, it was a brilliant strategy to get elected. But while campaigns are built on promises, legacies are built on results. And this is where he has utterly and completely failed, he has produced no results.


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reply posted on 11-1-2012 @ 01:10 PM by Mescalito
reply to post by SavedOne



Thanks for the answers, ive learned something today!

I guess its kinda a difference in culture. Here we have a free party system, practically anyone could get in the government, which leads to about 14 different parties to choose from. So a two-party based system seems odd to me. Of course, we have so much different parties to choose from, that we can never have "The One" who can symbolise change. They always have to work together which can lead to some fruitless decisions.

On the other hand, a two-party system has its flaws aswell, there isnt a lot of freedom to choose there. Either way, its a mess in politics-land, no matter if you live in America or if you live in the Netherlands.
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