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Although ubiquitous today, condensation trails were apparently unknown until World War I. Indeed, what may be the earliest reported observations of contrails were made in the autumn of 1918, as the Great War was drawing to a close. By the end of 1920, other sightings had been reported and several people had advanced preliminary explanations of the new phenomenon.
The original B-2 design had wing tanks for a contrail-inhibiting chemical
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by Captain Beyond
You may wish to further "educate" your "friend":
clouds over his house were all crisscrossed....
Explain to him, by showing this next image. It is an example of the aeronautical charts used by airliners at cruise altitude.
Tell me: Since there are so many routes shown which "crisscross" on that map example, then why wouldn't actual jets in flight ALSO cross paths???:
You can see many MORE examples at this websitre:
www.skyvector.com....
Originally posted by Captain Beyond
Well Proudbird, contrails do not stay around all day long.
I was in the military, and have seen many contrails from many types of jet aircraft and contrails dissipate rather quickly.
I know where you were going with that. I appreciate your input, but the body of evidence from past to present is overwhelming. The spraying of "substances" from jet aircraft is indeed taking place whether you care to admit it or not.
.....contrails do not stay around all day long. I was in the military, and have seen many contrails from many types of jet aircraft and contrails dissipate rather quickly.
These figures (fig. 1 and fig. 2 ) from Dr. David Duda show the distribution of the frequency of occurrence of conditions favorable for formation of persistent contrails over the USA.
..... but the body of evidence from past to present is overwhelming. The spraying of "substances" from jet aircraft is indeed taking place whether you care to admit it or not.
Originally posted by mrno1
Why are we spending 15 million a year on cloud seeding is the real question?
Originally posted by Foxy1
Originally posted by mrno1
Why are we spending 15 million a year on cloud seeding is the real question?
imagine if you could change the battlefield of your enemy. At least thats what the military is probally thinking.
The reason we lost so many men on burger hill in vietnam was due to it raining and troops were getting mowed down as they slipped and fell down the hill.
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by Captain Beyond
.....contrails do not stay around all day long. I was in the military, and have seen many contrails from many types of jet aircraft and contrails dissipate rather quickly.
Your military experience was with mostly low-bypass turbofan engines. You didn't specify the types. Or how long ago.
Many (most?) of the KC-135s have been re-engined. Same basic engine as the B-737. The KC-10s also form contrails, as those are high bypass turbofans (GE). But what has occurred in the last five to ten years is, more and more very fuel efficient engines are being produced, and appearing on newer airplanes as airlines replace old equipment in their fleets.
I too have seen plenty of the "classic" contrail in my day, since my career began in the late 1970s. But, I have also seen the gradual change, and understand the reasons why.
SO, kit is incorrect to say that "all" contrails dissipate quickly. The study of persistent contrails has been ongoing for quite a while. They were seen in WW 2, for pity's sake! Same reasons (airflow patterns of big propeller airplanes, compared to high bypass fans).
HERE is a study about persistent contrails, with "persistent contrails" in the title!! (From 2011)
Here, from 2001: Pathfinder Contrail Studies
(excerpt):
These figures (fig. 1 and fig. 2 ) from Dr. David Duda show the distribution of the frequency of occurrence of conditions favorable for formation of persistent contrails over the USA.
There is a lot more.
..... but the body of evidence from past to present is overwhelming. The spraying of "substances" from jet aircraft is indeed taking place whether you care to admit it or not.
The "substances" are mostly, the majority, is water vapor. The rest are the normal pollutants that occur when you burn kerosene.
There are NO photos, no proof, no evidence of any concerted "spraying" efforts underway. NO one has seen it, nor is there any infrastructure, such as manufacturing and distribution, for facilities seen where airplanes are on the ground (only way to "load something") where this occurs.
Period.
Then why in the 60's did these so called multiple contrails not exsist?
The Pratt & Whitney JT8D is a low-bypass (0.96 to 1) turbofan engine, introduced by Pratt & Whitney in February 1963 with the inaugural flight of Boeing's 727. It was a modification of the Pratt & Whitney J52 turbojet engine, which powered the US Navy A-6 Intruder attack aircraft.
JT3C (Civilian)
Boeing 707
Boeing 720
Douglas DC-8
Originally posted by Captain Beyond
Then why in the 60's did these so called multiple contrails not exsist?
Unclassified government documents have stated that certain parts of this country were guinea pigs for aerial testing on the population. You can google it and find all the information you need.
but all that we see in the sky are not all contrails.
but my gut instinct tells me different.
I fully believe that this is worldwide, and not just limited to the United States.
Chemtrails are real, and they are part of a much larger plan. What plan? I don't know, stay tuned and we will eventually find out.
The harder the debunkers try to debunk chemtrails, the more I believe in them. There are many federal elements on this website trying to debunk and defuse the truth.
Evidence? Barium and aluminium and other elements falling from the sky after these trails are spotted?
There have been other posters on this site with pictures of aircraft fitted with tanks internally with external nozzles.
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by Captain Beyond
There are some of us who simply hate to see such ignorance abound, as it is spread by the "chemtrail" con artists. These are charlatans and hucksters who prey on the gullible, and the ill-informed. But, for those who are willing to be led around and remain clueless, it's a free world:
The harder the debunkers try to debunk chemtrails, the more I believe in them. There are many federal elements on this website trying to debunk and defuse the truth.
"Federal elements"??
Oh, that is hilarious....since for every American who claims to "believe" in so-called "chemtrails", and insists that they are"real", there are just about an equal amount of people from Canada, Great Britain, Scandinavia, Europe and even "down under" who do as well.
Gee, the "federal elements" of the U.S. government have quite the reach, eh??
Evidence? Barium and aluminium and other elements falling from the sky after these trails are spotted?
This is a lie. There is NO truth whatsoever to these claims. Anyone who believes this without proper fact-checking of sources and results is being duped.
There have been other posters on this site with pictures of aircraft fitted with tanks internally with external nozzles.
Oh, yes there have. I can recall a recent thread with photos of a C-130 Hercules specially equipped in that manner.
HOWEVER, what the mission of that set-up was for, is to spray herbicides and insecticides and such (and, was put to use in the Gulf of Mexico for the BP oil spill, to distribute dispersant).
ALL of those activities are well-known, in the news, not covert, and ALL done at low altitudes.
This is easy to research, and thus educate oneself about.
AS TO some other alleged "evidence" via photos? There have been a slew of hoaxed photos, and outright lies told about normal, everyday apparatus, which have been discussed to death on these threads as well. Many of these mislabeled/mis-identified photos are still being used on countless crap "chemtrail" hoax websites.
But again --- those who wish to remain ignorant do so as wished. It just seems that taking the time to bone up on science and facts and reason are for more fruitful........
I am not ignorant, or a charlatan, or huckster.