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Fox News Chemtrail Propaganda

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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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I did post the Man Lab video from You Tube, which was a good practical demonstration, when it first appeared on TV, but when I went to get it just now its been removed, possibly due to copyright issues.

Even so, I don't think the debate will ever end. Really though, whether a trail is con or chem is irrelevant to cloud seeding, so a video on cloud seeding will not impact the debate at all.

Someone like me just saying its irrelevant is not going to convince anyone who has already decided for themselves that it is.

I think it would be more pertinent if someone who held this belief could say exactly why they see a link to see if that viewpoint can be addressed, otherwise you end up with what we have now, a scatter-gun approach.

There are many videos on the net though, a search for 'how cloud seeding works' brings up several results.
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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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Your thread title - rather obviously true. I would add IMHO that Fox/Murdoch and other elitists want us (U.S.) to know that chemtrails are just benign cloud seeding and that aren't we lucky that the mysterious particles being sprayed over our heads are not cement like backwards Russia is using.

All I can say is that there must be a whole lot of complaining going on for Fox to put up this non-story of mysterious particles and pretense of no rainmaking except on those very few Bill Nye occasions. So what's the upshot of it all: Bill, Fox, Rupert and the usual suspects on ATS fail big time once again to explain anything real.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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Yes, chemtrails are real! I had one of my non-believing friends call me the other day, and remarked that the clouds over his house were all crisscrossed, and like lines. Haha...he then said...wow....these are not clouds, this is what you have been talking about! I can't post the rest of what he said, but it was very colorful commentary. Yet another has come to know the truth!



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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You may wish to further "educate" your "friend":


clouds over his house were all crisscrossed....


Explain to him, by showing this next image. It is an example of the aeronautical charts used by airliners at cruise altitude.

Tell me: Since there are so many routes shown which "crisscross" on that map example, then why wouldn't actual jets in flight ALSO cross paths???:




You can see many MORE examples at this websitre:

www.skyvector.com....



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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chemtrails are real, sure.


What you're trying to make them look like is not.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 03:30 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by dplum517

... Chemtrails are very real. If you don't see the multiple uses of propaganda in this clip then I suggest you go home and rethink life.

Correct. For a long time they said it (chemtrails) was „only contrails“ and now they increasingly start claiming it is „only weather modification“ ...sure....ahemmm...UMPFFFF...
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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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Please demonstrate where it is claimed that long white trails in the sky are anything to do with weather modification?

People appear to have drawn their own conclusions without any help at all from Fox apart from an irrelevant and unremarked video clip.

There can be little doubt that the person who inserted it felt it was relevant, but without comment from the studio nothing more can be assumed.


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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by waynos
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Please demonstrate where it is claimed that long white trails in the sky are anything to do with weather modification?


I fully agree. The two are very different machineries. That's what I wanted to express.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by dplum517
This clip talks mostly about Cloud Seeding in Russia and how the Mayor of Moscow wants it so it won't snow over the city.

But that's not the part I am concerned with. If you watch the video from beginning to end it really sticks out.

At exactly 2:22 into the clip the screen splits off and starts to show a bunch of planes leaving trails. It shows the chemtrails up 2:44.

The funny thing is, that the commentator and Bill said nothing about the video feed with the trails. They were just blabbing on about Russia while discussing if the USA would ever do something like this (laughable).


Well obviously the trails have nothing to do with cloud seeding, so why mention them?

The US probably carry out more cloud seeding operations than any other country - usually carried out by, and paid for by, private firm (such as winter resorts).

ie: www.localnews8.com...

And the Mayor of Moscow was somewhat embarrassed when that winter Moscow experienced plenty of snowfall - show how ineffective cloud seeding really is:

www.globalpost.com...



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 07:07 AM
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Contrails are water vapor and dissipate very quickly, sometimes you can see them fading away while the aircraft is still in sight.

The Chem trails stay in the air for hours if not all day.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Fox Slave: do we do cloud seeding in the US?

Bill the science guy: people have tried it for many years, (later on) but I can tell from experience thats not how it works..


this is scary



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by sdocpublishing
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
 


Contrails are water vapor and dissipate very quickly, sometimes you can see them fading away while the aircraft is still in sight.

The Chem trails stay in the air for hours if not all day.


That is false. That is mis-infornmation or dis-information put out by the people pushing the chemtrail agenda. Contrails can in fact last just as long as clouds, because they ARE basically clouds (they are like cirrus clouds). If a cirrus cloud can last for hours, then why not a contrail?

The amount of time a contrail can last (or if a contrail can be produced at all) depends on the weather conditions at altitude. Some contrails DO dissipate very quickly. However, if the temperature and humidity levels are right, the ice crystals in the contrail can last for hours at a time and spread out like a cloud.

Almost all pilots and meteorologists would tell you that a contrail can last for hours.

Long-lasting contrails are not a new thing. World War II bombers sometimes created long-lasting contrails. This was usually considered a problem because enemy fighter planes were sometimes able to find where the bombers had gone by following the trails left behind.

Here is a Youtube (made by ATS member Uncinus) showing a book written in 1963 about clouds. In this book, contrails are mentioned, and it is also pointed out that they can last for hours:



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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by notonsamepage
Fox Slave: do we do cloud seeding in the US?

Bill the science guy: people have tried it for many years, (later on) but I can tell from experience thats not how it works..


this is scary


I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Bill Nye is right when he says cloud seeding does not have that great of a track record of working. Cloud seeding has been around since at least the 1940s, and was a popular idea in the 1950s and 1960s to try to bring rail to places that need rain, but the results have been "iffy" at best.

Cloud seeding is done by small aircraft flying at relatively low altitudes. The altitudes cloud seeding planes are flying at are much too low for contrail production. The cloud seeding being talked about in that video has nothing at all to do with planes flying at the altitude where contrails are made.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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I am CONVINCED that Bill Nye, the EVIL science guy, is a plant / Disintel / Disinformation / Misinformation Specialist PAID by our government to lie about just about everything that's ever mentioned.

I've listened to him "dispel" several theories and no longer believe he's a legitimate scientist OR decent human being.

Just my opinion of course...



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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I agree 100%.

also.....

IMO using WW2 bombers as a reference for persistent contrails should be BANNED.

There are too many variables and questionable data concerning those.

Plus ....they are military planes
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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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Sorry man but that SkyVector map that you link does not represent trails.

They are plane routes. End of Story.

In no way shape or form does that represent plane trails. Undoubtedly most of those plane routes are hours apart and the atmosphere would be constantly changing not allowing for all those routes to produce "persistent contrails"



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Outrageous.

Are there any other inconvenient facts that contradict your belief you would like banned? At least you are open about wanting to be able to brainwash people unhindered by truth.

Also, the only difference between military and civil aircraft are the owners, the way they work or the physical properties of each are the same, so why is the ownership relevant to you?



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by dplum517
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Sorry man but that SkyVector map that you link does not represent trails.

They are plane routes. End of Story.


Did you really say that? Were you smiling as you typed?



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by sdocpublishing
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
 


Contrails are water vapor and dissipate very quickly, sometimes you can see them fading away while the aircraft is still in sight.

The Chem trails stay in the air for hours if not all day.


Water vapor is invisible.
Contrails, like cirrus clouds, are clouds of ice crystals.
Contrails, like cirrus clouds, can stay in the air for hours if not all day. It depends on the amount of water vapor in the air in which they form.
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