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He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint…
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
The records of debate at the Constitutional Convention and the Federalist Papers provide little evidence of the framers’ intentions in the recess appointment clause.
In a 1905 report that the Senate still considers authoritative, the Senate Judiciary Committee recognized that a "Recess of the Senate" occurs whenever the Senate is not sitting for the discharge of its functions and when it cannot "participate as a body in making appointments." The committee cautioned that a "recess" means "something actual, not something fictitious." The executive branch has long taken the same common-sense view. In 1921, citing opinions of his predecessors dating back to the Monroe administration, Attorney General Harry M. Daugherty argued that the question "is whether in a practical sense the Senate is in session so that its advice and consent can be obtained. To give the word 'recess' a technical and not a practical construction, is to disregard substance for form."
Originally posted by The Old American
The president deliberately waited until the recess to make appointments that aren't critically necessary to the operations of the U.S. government. Then he says he has full authority to do so, even though the clause is there for temporary emergency appointments. Yet again, he is using his dictatorship to the fullest of his abilities.
/TOA
Originally posted by SG-17
Just because you don't like the man and he has actually grown a pair and is finally doing what he promised does not make him a dictator. To call him so only makes you look petty and under-informed. Accepting ignorance as it were.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
The major problem here is that the Senate wasn't even in recess.
In a 1905 report that the Senate still considers authoritative, the Senate Judiciary Committee recognized that a "Recess of the Senate" occurs whenever the Senate is not sitting for the discharge of its functions and when it cannot "participate as a body in making appointments."
Originally posted by Kafternin
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
The major problem here is that the Senate wasn't even in recess.
What did they work on during that session?
This is important. Why is everyone rushing to defend the house? They are all the good guys now?
Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by ownbestenemy
Please note that there is a precedence for recess appointments made in less than a day of recess.
As well I noted in my previous post:
In a 1905 report that the Senate still considers authoritative, the Senate Judiciary Committee recognized that a "Recess of the Senate" occurs whenever the Senate is not sitting for the discharge of its functions and when it cannot "participate as a body in making appointments."
Therefore a pro forma session without a Quorum is a valid recess.
Originally posted by Kafternin
Originally posted by The Old American
The president deliberately waited until the recess to make appointments that aren't critically necessary to the operations of the U.S. government. Then he says he has full authority to do so, even though the clause is there for temporary emergency appointments. Yet again, he is using his dictatorship to the fullest of his abilities.
/TOA
WOW do you see what you just did?
First of all, that is not the story at all. It is not about Obama waiting, it is about whether or not there even was a recess.
What you just wrote out was exactly what George Bush was doing his entire term but I bet you cannot wait to vote Republican to save us from what you think you were just complaining about.
THEN-SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL): Recess appointments ‘the wrong thing to do.’ “‘It’s the wrong thing to do. John Bolton is the wrong person for the job,’ said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., a member of Foreign Relations Committee.” (“Officials: White House To Bypass Congress For Bolton Nomination,” The Associated Press, 7/30/05)
· OBAMA: A recess appointee is ‘damaged goods… we will have less credibility.’ “To some degree, he’s damaged goods… somebody who couldn’t get through a nomination in the Senate. And I think that that means that we will have less credibility…” (“Bush Sends Bolton To U.N.” The State Journal-Register [Springfield, IL], 8/2/05)
SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): ‘An end run around the Senate and the Constitution.’ “I will keep the Senate in pro forma session to block the President from doing an end run around the Senate and the Constitution with his controversial nominations.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.15980, 12/19/07)
· REID: ‘They are mischievous.’ “Also, understand this: We have had a difficult problem with the President now for some time. We don’t let him have recess appointments because they are mischievous, and unless we have an agreement before the recess, there will be no recess. We will meet every third day pro forma, as we have done during the last series of breaks.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.7558, 7/28/08)
· REID: Recess appointments an ‘abuse of power.’ “Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) denounced the appointment as ‘the latest abuse of power by the Bush administration,’ adding that Bolton would arrive at the UN ‘with a cloud hanging over his head’ because he could not win confirmation.” (“Bush Puts Bolton In UN Post,” Chicago Tribune, 8/2/05)
· REID: A recess appointee will have ‘a cloud hanging over his head.’ “Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) denounced the appointment as ‘the latest abuse of power by the Bush administration,’ adding that Bolton would arrive at the UN ‘with a cloud hanging over his head’ because he could not win confirmation.” (“Bush Puts Bolton In UN Post,” Chicago Tribune, 8/2/05)
SEN. DICK DURBIN (D-IL): ‘Troubling.’ “When you have an appointment that is this critical and this sensitive, and the president basically says he’s going to ignore the will of the senate and push someone through, it really is troubling.” (“Bush Sends Bolton To U.N.” The State Journal-Register [Springfield, IL], 8/2/05)
· DURBIN: ‘Could easily be unconstitutional.’ “I agree with Senator Kennedy that Mr. Pryor’s recess appointment, which occurred during a brief recess of Congress, could easily be unconstitutional. It was certainly confrontational. Recess appointments lack the permanence and independence contemplated by the Framers of the Constitution.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6253, 6/9/05)
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA): Recess appointments an ‘abuse [of] the power of the presidency.’ “‘It’s sad but not surprising that this White House would abuse the power of the presidency to reward a donor over the objections of the Senate,’ Kerry said in a statement …” (“Recess Appointments Granted to ‘Swift Boat’ Donor, 2 Other Nominees,” The Washington Post, 4/5/07)
SEN. FRANK LAUTENBERG (D-NJ): “…bends the rules and circumvents the will of Congress.” (“President Sends Bolton to U.N.; Bypasses Senate,” The New York Times, 8/2/05)
SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-MT): “Senate confirmation of presidential appointees is an essential process prescribed by the Constitution that serves as a check on executive power and protects Montanans and all Americans by ensuring that crucial questions are asked of the nominee — and answered…” (“Dem Baucus Joins GOP In Blasting Obama CMS Recess Appointment,” The Hill, 7/7/10)
Originally posted by The Old American
WOW, I bet you're wrong! It was a recess, therefore Obama deliberately waited to make these appointments when the recess was ongoing.
A joule of work would tell you that my post history says that I decry any president that oversteps his authority. But Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc., aren't in office today, are they?
Our sitting president is not affecting "Change We Can Believe In" when he continues the execrable actions of his predecessors.
/TOA
Originally posted by beezzer
*yawn*
As seen by the quotes above, when it was done by Bush, the libs and dems wee'd themselves over it.
And that's when it was a legitamate recess.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
More so and not direct towards you TOA, but I was trying to keep this fairly objective (except my closing paragraph) and yet so far I have been labeled an Obama hater....interesting...