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The Zionist English Defence League

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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn
Zionism and "Jews" are a related subject. You cannot use one, without the other ... you look at the picture of EDL, you see the flag of Israel.

Not true. A Zionist does not have to be a Jew, and a Jew does not have to be a Zionist. There are Christian Zionists. As for the flag or Israel – that is not a flag of true Jews but a Rothschild-Zionist design. The Star of David is not originally a Jewish symbol. Look it up.


Originally posted by bjarneorn
My arguement is this, the original book (don't recall it's name right now), that triggered zionism is a fake.

Are you talking about ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’? Yes that’s fake, but some of the claims it makes aren’t.


Originally posted by bjarneorn
What I am stating, goes like this ... people state zionism, which in reality is created to damage the jews.

Yes - Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists. Global Zionism, aka the New World Order, intends to damage and enslave everyone. Stop thinking that when I people talk about Zionists they’re talking about all Jews. What we’re talking about are a predominantly Jewish elite who believe it is their right to land-grab and manipulate other governments to help them succeed in doing so.


Originally posted by bjarneorn
Think about it, the war on terror, the war in the middle east ... they are all blamed on Israel. The "jews" don't do much, but everyone hates them, because the big Bully, US, is doing it all for them. Get my point?

Yes, but the US is controlled by Zionists. The wars in the Middle East – if they are blamed on Israel, are justifiably so. In my observations Western media propaganda attempts to paint Israel in a very positive light whilst demonizing Muslim Palestinians. There is no ‘Jewphobia’ in the West, but there is ‘Islamophobia’. Jews face no opposition or criticism – Muslims do. So I don’t how you can say “everyone hates Jews”.




posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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It was actually Joe Biden Vice president of the US, who said, "you don'y have to be a Jew to be zionist"


It's such dodgy area. I have no problem with any race or ethnicity, but Zionism is neither and therefor being anti zionist should not be equated with anti semitism, just as anti - Capitalism does not make one a racist.

Anyway , if you haven't seen this dispatches about the Israeli Lobby in the UK I suggest watching it. It's Peter Obourne, so not anti semitic and not even anti Zionism.




posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Well said and it is food for thought
The more i read threads and do my own research i find myself compelled to acknowledge the whole concept of NWO. This is not due to being easily influenced by conspiracy theory's. Although i find the whole Zionist link that some make hard to swallow. I acknowledge that the NWO do exists but who are they is still the question.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Read this indisputable. It's long but I guarantee it'll have you fascinated from start to finish. It will also answer most of the questions you currently have, as it did me and many of those close to me.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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excellent post.

I just want to point out that in that picture with the Israeli flag, there are skin heads. While skin heads are not inherently racists based on the fact that originally they were a social pride movement and a labor organizing movement put all into one. They have been hijacked throughout their history by radical hate groups in their more known and tasteless version of neo-Nazis, or bone heads amongst skin head culture. To even their newer efforts of re-establishing themselves as an anti fascist movement with groups like SHARP. that is, Skin heads against racial prejudice. Calling forth older, original members from the Jamaican rude boy scene.

I always take notice of them where ever a social issue is being fought out in England because they are usually employed as opinion "hessians" or bought muscle, mercenaries of a cause they are easily indoctrinated into due to their being a "typical" demographic.

They can even be mobilized politically for false flag operations where they will, for example, don an Israeli flag and false identity so as to cause a schism amongst Jews and gentiles. Usually when a coherent force of people unite under common social problems. Race is an old ploy to divide a united people of many cultures as it never fails to justify lesser unity in favor of primordial or PURE unity


edit on 10-1-2012 by casenately because: fixed



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
Yes, but the US is controlled by Zionists. The wars in the Middle East – if they are blamed on Israel, are justifiably so. In my observations Western media propaganda attempts to paint Israel in a very positive light whilst demonizing Muslim Palestinians. There is no ‘Jewphobia’ in the West, but there is ‘Islamophobia’. Jews face no opposition or criticism – Muslims do. So I don’t how you can say “everyone hates Jews”.


Well, I understand what you mean ... and my arguement is, that you are meant to believe this. But that in reality, people are creating the atmosphere for the opposite.

First, I start by stating, and wish you to understand that many of the people, like the Bushes, are suddenly the "good guys". These are the same people, that actually were active in the WWII. Suddenly, they are all on the jews side, or claim to be jewish themselves ... what?!?!?!?

Now second, all around you there is talk about these being "the end times". The end times, according to Jewish religion and Christianity, means that the jews should return home. I'll throw this in, many of the "historical jews" are secular, and never openly showed their faith. Now, they come to the open, and create Israel.

Then a war is waged, around the world ... and it's all done for Israel. You say, it's ok ... I say No, it isn't. Because, these aren't the end times ... and you say there is "islamophobia" and no "jewphobia", and I tell you that this is not quite accurate. Most people, act according to "popular notion". They will not show their true relgion, or their "true" nature out in the open. People, like myself ... are rare. I swim "against the current", because I believe in what I see, is accurate. Here, there is a saying, people think blue, vote red and work grey. What people think, do and wish is not the same thing. People in the US, claiming "islamophobia", is a current thing but one that will reside. Greater and greater sympathy will rise for the muslim community, this is inevitable ... and the US is always doing this, because Israel is lobbying for it ... but please note, that the people who are claiming jewism, and lobbying ... are those, who I argue are not "real" jews ... but Azkenaky jews. That is, they are not the historical jews ... just jews by choice of religion.

In Europe, the Palestinians have always had sympathy ... and so has "socialism". All of our nations are socialistic, to a degree, even the US.

You tell me, how are the jews going to live in Israel, with the people all around them, hating them ... even more now, than before? You'll say, the US will protect them.

What if I tell you, that there will be a point, where the US will no longer exist as it is today? What if I tell you, that there is a point, where even the populace of the US will no longer feel as they do today? You'll probably say "the EU" ... really?

My point is, to me ... the jews are just being "herded" into the middle east, and then eventually be left there to live in constant feutalism with their neighbours, and that they are led by people, who claim zionism ... and are only jewish by choice, and not necessarily by true faith, or origin.

Zionism, is a bad smelling "rat" in my book ... and as far as I know, it's created by the same group that actually were behind nazism. That's an arguement I read originally, back in '94, and one that I believe is accurate. The heart of zionism, is in reality so vial ... that nobody with a sane mind, would create it, except as a false flag against the jews.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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You've gone from thinking we're being programmed to hate Muslims (which is wrong, we were never programmed to hate them, the hate came from the worries regular folk had thanks to a minority of Muslim extremists who flew planes into NYC) to thinking that all Jews are evil and that a pro-British group that has members who are atheist, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Jew and Hindu are evil as are all Jews?

Maybe stop burying your head in such hate-filled websites and articles and take a walk outside, might do you the world of good.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by curious7
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You've gone from thinking we're being programmed to hate Muslims (which is wrong, we were never programmed to hate them, the hate came from the worries regular folk had thanks to a minority of Muslim extremists who flew planes into NYC) to thinking that all Jews are evil and that a pro-British group that has members who are atheist, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Jew and Hindu are evil as are all Jews?

Maybe stop burying your head in such hate-filled websites and articles and take a walk outside, might do you the world of good.


I think if that's your interpretation of the OP's thread you have totally missed the intention of the OP. He has clearly argued that he is not against Jews but against Zionism. There is a big difference. During the cold war when the west was anti communism, it did not mean it was against all Russians or Cubans or any other ethnic group under communist rule, It was against Communism as an ideology, Just as those who opposed zionism are not opposed to Jews, but the political ideology of Zionism.

I suggest you watch the documentary I posted in an earlier post, it will give you a little more information on zionism and it's influence within British politics. Many of those in the documentary are Jewish who are also anti Zionists.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by casenately
They can even be mobilized politically for false flag operations where they will, for example, don an Israeli flag and false identity so as to cause a schism amongst Jews and gentiles.

That's interesting. 'Skinhead' does almost seem to be some kind of adaptable brand, carrying no intrinsic ideology of its own (and that's not meant to be an insult against skinheads).

Nice avatar by the way. Long time fan of the band myself. Lyrically they seem to be getting more into the whole truth movement. Last time I saw them play, Pete Koller had a 'Don't tread on me' flag over his guitar cab.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Zionism doesn't really exist anymore, at least not in the late 19th early 20th century use of the word. Mostly used today to describe extremism within Israel, people who support Zionism in that sense are the most dangerous threat to the average Israeli and continued survival of Israel than any supposed external threat.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn
Zionism, is a bad smelling "rat" in my book ... and as far as I know, it's created by the same group that actually were behind nazism.

Yes I agree bjarneorn. From what I’ve read, 90% of those who call themselves Jews (Ashkenazi) are not actually Semitic but are descended from north Asian Khazars. Semites and Arabs had been living in peace together for a long time before Zionism took hold. Zionists are not Semites but call themselves ‘Jews’. Frankly, to me it doesn’t matter what they call themselves. Jews are not necessarily Zionists therefore it’s not Jews we need to worry about – it’s Zionists.

I must admit I’m slightly confused by the overall point you’re trying to get across. I’m saying that Zionism is real but isn’t really a Jewish thing. You seem to be saying that Zionism doesn’t exist and that it’s a myth invented by the Nazis and that the Nazis are still in control today trying to trick us into thinking Zionism exists when it doesn’t – right?



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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What do you understand to be the late 19th early 20th century use of the word 'Zionism'?

2nd line.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:05 AM
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Zionism, as seen by the members of EDL, is the vision created in the movie The Matrix.

But zionism, as is written, is more like this

www.rense.com...

Which is very similar to the original statement I read years ago. The problem with all of this is, that the original zionist agenda, is no longer available online. It was written in old papers, prior to the wars. It is also what fueled the hatred against the jews in WWII.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are very alike. Christianity and Judaism being most alike. Both of these have the same bible as it's origin, while Christianity has a second bible, with jesus work. The major differences, is that in Judaism messiah has not appeared, while in christianity and islam, the messiah has appeared.

You will notice, that there is a huge anti-islam, and anti-christianity going on, in all the western world.

Most jews, have lived in Europe throughout the centuries and many of them are now "The lost children of Israel".



The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has extensive teachings regarding the gathering of Israel and the restoration of the ten tribes. One of their main Articles of Faith written by Joseph Smith Jr. is as follows: "We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory." (LDS Articles of Faith #10)


But, the lost Children of Israel are ... ten tribes, the majority of Israel, in fact. I won't go into that, but these are the most important part of everything ... and they're lost, because they aren't "jewish" anymore.

But according to old Religion, "salvation" is only meant for the Lost Children of Israel, or the ten tribes.

Now, if you are really a believer and think there is truly a God up there, and heaven ... ok. But if you some sense in your brain, and read carefully you "should" come to understand, that "salvation" means, salvation from life. Because that IS, what it means ...

So, zionism is not a good thing ... because it means that the Lost Children of Israel will die. It also means, accordingly, that the rest of the world will live in Want, and only the US/Israel will live as "Children of God". And if you look up historical texts, you will see that every King, Queen, and every Emperor on earth and their family, looked at themselves as "Children of God". In other words, a special group of people will live like Kings, and the rest will be their serfs. But Christianity, and Islam as well ... go against the old testament on this account, and teach that ALL men are Gods children, through faith.

You think people will end up, loving the life of serfdom to the US?

That'll be the day ..



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by curious7
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You've gone from thinking we're being programmed to hate Muslims (which is wrong, we were never programmed to hate them, the hate came from the worries regular folk had thanks to a minority of Muslim extremists who flew planes into NYC) to thinking that all Jews are evil and that a pro-British group that has members who are atheist, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Jew and Hindu are evil as are all Jews?

Maybe stop burying your head in such hate-filled websites and articles and take a walk outside, might do you the world of good.

Okay…

1) Muslims didn’t fly planes into NYC.
2) The worries regular folk have about Muslims is justified, but is less based on 9/11 and 7/7 and more so on the huge amount of Islamic immigration into European lands over the last 15 years. Now we must simply ask ourselves who brought millions of Muslims to England and why. It was quite simply to create a tinder-box for inter-ethnic strife.
3) As woodward said, I don’t think all Jews are evil and haven’t once suggested that. Nor have I suggested that the EDL are all Jews – I didn’t even suggest that their leadership are. I don’t even know if the leadership are Zionists themselves (let alone Jews) – they may be paid operatives or severely brainwashed gentiles.
4) You tell me to “stop burying my head” and then suggest that I do exactly that by abandoning my research and “taking a walk outside”… huh!?!



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:26 AM
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I am from Northern Ireland and of pro British heritage, in my younger naive years I would have used the flag of Israel purely in response to the republicans and their Palestinian links- I have sinced leared the error ofmy ways and would not have the fag about me



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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thanks again for your time and effort will read as soon as i have time



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