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Polish prosecutor 'shoots self after news conference'

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posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Oh and, rare it may be, but no where near impossible to survive. Gabby Gifford is thinking of getting back into politics after her GSW to the head, and back in the eighteen hundreds, some poor fella got a steel bolt blown through his head from one side to the other, and that didnt kill him either. Had a big old silver tube in the hole the rest of his life to prevent infection mind, and Im sure he must have lost the ability to do math, or paint watercolours or some obscure thing, but people have been surviving worse than bullets to the head for hundreds of thousands of years!

Rather a bullet to the head than a sabre tooth to the knackers is all I am saying.




posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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This is a very important event. A guy doesn't just decide to kill himself off camera, in the middle of an interview, for no reason. He was trying to send a message about the findings of the investigation in my opinion.

He could have killed himself at any time, and to suddenly decide that this was the moment would have been a deliberate process of thought. He's not freaking out, he just looks determined and a little sad I think.

Either someone wanted to silence him, or he knows that someone will. He either chose to try and take the easy way out and send a message to people at the same time, or he was about to release some information and someone there stopped him.

That's my opinion anyway. We all know that there were a lot of questions about the crash, including reports of gun shots as rescuers tried to help the people. There was a lot about it that didn't make sense, and a lot of things that we pointed out on ATS at the time too.

This was no simple attempted suicide in my opinion.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Maybe the guy was tryin g to warn us what happens we mess with the TPTB May be he 's force to do it



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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omg can't anyone else see that guy's aura?
it's like beaming yellow and I see faint traces of grey.
I know yellow is a sign of worry and concern, not sure what grey stands for.
poor fellow.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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The 2 seperate YT videos that were posted, of the Polish prosecutor's 'suicide' attempt maybe a fake. . .


At 0:25sec mark you'll notice 3 individuals going to check out the situation right away. . . (took 2-3sec after the shot fired for people to walk in front of the camera)



Watch at 0:33sec mark on this 2nd video. What happened to all those people after he shot himself?? Alittle slower this time around. . . ? (took over 5-6sec after the shot fired for people to enter the room)



If it was a really good editing job then I take back my accusation. But as of now, I'll stand by what I saw.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Good morning ATSrs.
there is this video it shows more with no smearing on the screen.


love and harmony
Whateva



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 07:44 PM
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Thanks for providing more video. . .

Why doesn't anyone look shocked that a man just shot himself or was shot!!??

It didn't look real.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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So, I just found out that he shot himself in the cheek bone, hence the reason that he most likely lived.

Who tries to kill themselves by shooting themselves in the cheek bone? If he was truly trying to kill himself, he would have aimed for the brain. It's as simple as that. Maybe he just got done watching Fight Club?

Nah. Also, let's not give the argument that his hand was trembling and he missed. This is a military man who doesn't shake when he fires and if the gun was placed against his skin then there would be no movement any way.

As someone else stated, every one was alarmingly calm in the video. However, I would assume Poland (much like Russian) is a little less sympathetic country, no offense to them. Still though, you would expect to see more.

I can't assume that this man was trying to stage his suicide with the help of others as he clearly has been shown to still be alive. My first inclination was that he was worried of being assassinated by Russians but if his intention was to appear as already dead, he would have had Polish officials confirm it - so I would expect.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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i have no idea, maybe its because we live in a different society and we just cant fathom that other than depression or money problems why anyone would try to end their life.

its just been dodgy from the start, to the presidents flight through to it crashing and the footage we've all seen of sounds of gunshots after the crash, then ill have to go back and check , but i cant remember what they did next, something about the body's.

love and harmony
Whateva



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
As someone else stated, every one was alarmingly calm in the video. However, I would assume Poland (much like Russian) is a little less sympathetic country, no offense to them. Still though, you would expect to see more.


Yeah that was my train of thought as well. we live in different society's, i suppose if we had a different history as they have with their neighbours always on their doorstep and at each others throats, we may become a little more insensitive to death and so forth as well, lets hope not. compassion is apart of me that i actually am proud of.

love and harmony
Whateva



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Thanks for your reply & your thoughts on the situation. Its always nice to have more than one opinion on sensitive topics, such as this. . .

You know I was blown away @ first over this event. Then something caught my attention when reviewing the videos.

I pointed out earlier in those 2 Youtube videos, approx. 2-3 seconds after the shot was fired, reporters/individuals walked in front of the cameras and microphones. . . BUT in the other video NO ONE rushed past the microphones after the shot was fired (you see the door open after 5-6 seconds once the shot was fired) !!!!!


Plus it was weird that everyone seemed so casually calm. Poland's society must deal w/ alot of daily 'self inflicted' gunshots in order to enhance their calm that well.

Unless someone on ATS can explain the timing differences between the 2 videos, that showed the same video at different angles. . . I'm saying they had several takes at this suicide attempt.

Watch the 2 videos I posted @ the mentioned marks, hopefully someone can explain why the difference.

::: EDIT::: I wanted to add, in the video where the reporters rushed passed the cameras & microphones after 2-3 seconds once the shot was fired - Those reporters would have been in the same room w/ the polish prosecutor & witnessed him do it!

But in the other video NO ONE was in the room!!?? odd...
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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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That plane crash is something I think ties into everything else we're seeing around us in ways people won't know for many many years to come. So much death...and still going.
I suppose we shouldn't forget what Russia has already been known to do to it's enemies as well. If this guy crossed them badly enough, shooting himself may be the better way to check out. I can sure think of WORSE ways....

Polonium-210 used as a weapon on FSB Defector

Someday it'll come out in the same way stories are starting to surface from old, long classified records out of World War II and JUST starting from Vietnam. It'll make for great read for my kid anyway...

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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
The articles and videos claim he shot himself in the head. It's pretty rare to survive a gun shot to the head. Also, and I know this is grim, I didn't see much splatter around the area that normally is a result of a headshot wound.

Also, I don't know what calibre weapon he was using, but being in the military I would assume it was something substantial.
edit on 9-1-2012 by ErroneousDylan because: This text is green and italic.


It's really not amazingly uncommon for rounds fired at the head not to come out the otherside, even point blank.

The side arm is apparently the wz 60 7.5mm service pistol which was based on a design (Source) allegedly adopted for police use originally. Generally sidearms designed for police are built for saftey, which means not having enough power to go straight through a person and into the person behind them.

It's also not uncommon for rounds to ricochet around bone or become lodged in areas. Considering the person survived it would also go with similar survival stories where the person has tried to penetrate skull with a firearm. The footage when the person was being carried out of the building would seem to support this based on the area of the wound, but I'm not going to watch it again closely.

It's quite an uncomfy topic for me, but you can probably do your own research on this. There's a lot of writing about this kind of thing.

What a sad event.

Edit: Oh ErroneousDylan got there before me ha. Left window open a while before writing, but yes confirms some of the things I was saying.

Would say though that I don't imagine they give lessons on how to commit suicide in the army. So I wouldn't be too surprised that the person missed.
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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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They do prepare you to kill and die, however. There is no doubt in my mind that this guy "missed, even though I can't prove anything. None of this adds up.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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I ended up watching the Bud Dwyer video..

It kinda scary how people can kill themselves without hesitation like that. One moment your talking acting normal, then next you whip out a pistol and off yourself. its bizzare.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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He was not acting or speaking normal, you can read off his face that he is VERY sad. Nostrils widen after he is done speaking like an emotional hiccup - as if tears are about to jump into his eyes(before getting up) after he says: "I need to rest".

You need to be very observing but it's all there.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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Why aren't people realizing that they may have had several 'attempts' at this suicide? Stop focusing on the cheek bone.

Watch the different videos.

In 1 of the videos, you'll see people walk by the camera & microphones immediately after the Polish Prosecutor fires a round. . . Meaning other people were in the same room w/ him & witnessed it.

In the 2nd video, you'll see NO ONE walk by the cameras or microphones once the shot is fired. They weren't even in the same room w/ the Polish Prosecutor.

That doesn't strike anyone as odd?



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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I just want to let you know , they have specifically built silenced weapons that can have a needed type of weapon frame built over the specifications. It has very short-range , no more than 40 meters accurate firing. The cold ejection system simply wont allow for it.

I don't know a lot about the weapon , but i have seen one and fired one. Usually used for up close and personal executions it can only fire 12 rounds due to the cold gas cartridge needed to fire the weapon .. it is simply to dangerous to carry an external cartridge.

The loudest part of the weapon being fired is the shell hitting a metallic surface. It uses a special cartridge that is equivalent to a 9mm.

However , they could take the gun apart and see the insides of the weapon and the disguised weapon (Body frame) will be useless .. but if the plane crashed and killed much of the cabinet , im pretty sure the weapon was mangled beyond inspection.


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Though i do not know a lot about the Topic , i just wanted to throw out there a weapon is possible for this situation if a gunshot wasnt heard.

There is also a long-range rifle, 7mm , capable of this feet as well , but that one is classified i know , but i only was able to see it. Special Operations were moving things through our Armory where we were stationed in Afghanistan.
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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
Nah. Also, let's not give the argument that his hand was trembling and he missed. This is a military man who doesn't shake when he fires and if the gun was placed against his skin then there would be no movement any way.


Calmly shooting a gun is not the same thing as potentially ending your own life. The emotional process is an entirely different one.

Even the most highly trained military man who fires guns all day will not feel so confident and cocky about it when he's pointing the gun at himself.

I agree that the people there don't seem too shocked by all of this. You'd have thought someone might have shouted or screamed when a gun was fired in that room. But this, in itself, isn't evidence for anything. Different people react differently in all kinds of scenarios.

Of course, it could just be that he was under so much pressure he just cracked. But I don't see that in the video. I see a worried, determined man who suddenly decided to try to end his own life while being interviewed about the plane crash.

If I were to create a scenario based on what I've seen, I would say that this proud military man knows what happened, and he has been threatened to stay silent. He knows that his people deserve the truth, and rather than stay silent about it, or let those threatening him win, he decided to make a very public statement which also took the power from those threatening.

He's managed to get millions of people talking about the case again, increasing the chances of more investigations and demands for answers. He's shown those who might be threatening him that he can't be pushed around. He's shown people that there is reason to be suspicious.

I hope he's under armed guard. It's likely that there will be several people wanting to add some Polonium 210 to his IV drip.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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Exactly. He was trying to make a statement. Of course, he would be useless if he killed himself. So, how does he make a statement and stay alive at the same time? Well, he fakes his own suicide. Of course, I don't know any of this for sure but a lot does not add up.

I'm still not buy the fact that he "missed" his brain. If his intentions seriously were to end his life without a doubt, he would have placed the barrel against his flesh which wouldn't have allowed for any movement. He's a Colonel, he knows these things.

Also, in some of the official reports that I am read, it is said that he was "found lying in a large pool of blood". Well, if you watch the last video that Whateva69 posted, you can clearly see that when they find him and start rolling him over, there is no blood.

I can see a bullet to the cheekbone being either not bloody at all or very bloody, depending on where exactly it went.

It is also pretty coincidental that a film camera was left running during this whole incident. Although, I won't call that odd - just coincidental.



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