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posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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reply to post by alldaylong
 


It declined for the same reasons as coal mining declined. Government subsidies stopped or were drastically reduced, making prices uncompetitive in the world market. Rather than supporting our manufacturing industries and modernising them, the government started to shut them down instead. Now we pay other countries for what we should be able to produce ourselves.

He could be from Timbuktu for all i care. Cameron has Scottish roots, Brown was Scottish, so was Tony Blair. Doesn't make me like the guys.




posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by Numpty1
reply to post by alldaylong
 


David Cameron's father is Scots? So what? This has some relevance here?

No doubt you will use this little snippet when England goes down the tubes.

I'm not interested in the historical divisions or the ancestry of those involved in ruling the UK. Scotland wants independence, it is a right! Scotland has already made its decision on this, witness the almost complete destruction of all other political parties in Scotland.


Yes it has relevance. As a Scot Cameron has as much say as any other Scot on the issue of Scottish Independence. Clan Cameron:-

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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One man, one vote.
Let him cast his vote at a ballot box.




posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by jrmcleod

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by jrmcleod
reply to post by alldaylong
 


Yes they had a global empire, but that global empire was failing many years before oil was discovered.

My point is, if Scotland was independent in say 1746 (Jacobite Rebellion), the UK empire would still have failed when it did, if it was even to have come into existence with an independent Scotland. England wouldn't have made the oil discoveries. Scotland would have.

Without Scotland as part of the UK, most of the success of the UK financially in the last 60 years or so would have been Scotlands, not Englands. The discovery of oil in the UK allowed the UK to "boom" and the multi different industries and vast amounts of wealth brought in were because of oil discovered in SCOTTISH waters.

England owes Scotland...not the other way around

EPIC FAIL...


Where did you purchase your crystal ball from? How do you know Scotland would have discovered North Sea Oil? The first rig was operated by BP (Thats BRITISH Petroleum).It was called Sea Gem and it operated off the coast of Lincolnshire ENGLAND.

Epic Fail number 2





Commercial extraction of oil on the shores of the North Sea dates back to 1851, when James Young retorted oil from torbanite (boghead coal, or oil shale) mined in the Midland Valley of Scotland


Source


And how many barrel's per anum was James Young producing to fuel the Scottish economy? By the means he was extracting it i would estimate he contributed about £10 quid to the economy.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Indeed... The biggest Imperialists in our history were Scots, buit it's the English who always get the bad rap..

For example, in the latest Argentina/Falklands thread, everyone against the UK having the island is blaming England, specifically, for being the "colonialists", but most on the islands are of Scots descent!

In fact, many colonies aside those in N America had large amounts of Scots in relation to the English, and the biggest proponents in Parliament and the establishment for imperial expansion were Scots..

But no, it's the English who get called bloodthirsty colonialists, evil conquerors and what have you. We'd like to take all the credit, but sadly we can't!



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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take offence all you want, but i never replied to you! i agree with everything you have said!

i was talking about alldaylong , but i had forgot the name and couldnt be bothered looking...

the forum doesnt revolve around you dude!


ps, i actualy agree with you on this subject!



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by Numpty1
reply to post by alldaylong
 


David Cameron's father is Scots? So what? This has some relevance here?

No doubt you will use this little snippet when England goes down the tubes.

I'm not interested in the historical divisions or the ancestry of those involved in ruling the UK. Scotland wants independence, it is a right! Scotland has already made its decision on this, witness the almost complete destruction of all other political parties in Scotland.


Yes it has relevance. As a Scot Cameron has as much say as any other Scot on the issue of Scottish Independence. Clan Cameron:-

en.wikipedia.org...


If Mr Cameron has resident status in Scotland then he is entitled to his vote. We would welcome his participation.

I hope he filled in his census form too.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Apparently,due to national output,oil,whisky,agriculture etc, an independent Scotland,per head of population,would become the 6th wealthiest nation on the planet!


Sounds good to me,bring it on!
edit on 9-1-2012 by scobro because: cos i am thick!



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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If you dissolve the Union between the Scotii and the British, how much of north Albion do the Scots end up with and how much North Sea oil does that leave them?
Argyll isn't really that big a place .....



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by scobro
Apparently,due to national output,oil,whiskey,agriculture et


Er?


Mind, given the Scots come from Ulster, I guess they would spell whisky the wrong way



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Ha my bad!

Maybe i have had a little too much of the stuff!



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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As half English (Hooper) and half Scottish (Elder) and living on the border I think it is a terrible idea, this is the United Kingdom, this is Great Britain. I don't care if you disagree, we need to stand together as one.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Essan
If you dissolve the Union between the Scotii and the British, how much of north Albion do the Scots end up with and how much North Sea oil does that leave them?
Argyll isn't really that big a place .....


Argyll is not too big, its proximity to new Atlantic fields is a plus though


As to the rest of your comment, WTF?
edit on 9-1-2012 by Numpty1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Indeed, it doesn't revolve around me.

However, as I was in a tit for tat with him I assumed you meant me as the "ignorant Englishman".. My mistake, after all, assumptions are the mother of all fudge ups! I formally withdraw my original indignation and shall direct it somewhere else...Perhaps there are some Argentines lurking somewhere...



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Our English friends make some very good points...

1. The Scots were indeed very strong facilitators of the 'Empire' - in fact, it is not too much of a stretch to say we 'ran' the British Empire. This would strongly suggest that we could also successfully administer our own little country.

2. Yes, we are whining, ill-mannered, subsidy junkies. So, probably best for all of us if you cut us free and save you some tax. I'm just struggling to work out why a cost-cutting Coalition don't think that's a good idea? Oh, that's right - it's because even their own figures that they've continually suppressed since the 1970s disprove that non-argument.

SAORSA!



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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It is sad there is so much bickering between Scottish and English. I don't think it needs to be that way.

Yes the SNP got in due to the failure of Labour. However, prior to this the population of Scotland was wary of the SNP and didn't know whether to trust them in government or not. Since getting in they have done such a good job that now the vast majoirty have lost their previous fear and are quite happy to let Big Eck run the place.

Yes North England has had a rough time of it as well, so has Wales and other places. That is not for Scotland to worry about. The English should govern themselves and sort out their own problems.

The place I see nationalistic tendancies the most is in England. I was in Newcastle last week and saw loads of cars going about with England flags on them. We don't do that in Scotland. We know who we are and don't need a flag to remind us.

I would challenge anyone to name a country on the planet that has a much resources as Scotland for such a small place. It's not just oil, we have wind, wave, tidal, hydro, nuclear, coal, gas and even timber to produce energy.

We have agriculture and livestock to feed ourselves, as well as fish stocks.

We have a hard working intelligent and well educated work force.

We have many world renowned brands, whisky, tartan, salmon fishing, game hunting, golf, sailing, outdoor sports, mountaineering.

We produce great art, music, celebrities.

We have ancient history and culture that tourists want to see.

I could go on and on but I'd be here all day.

The rest of the world could blow up and Scotland would still manage fine without them because we ahve everything here that we need.

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Enough of that ...... somebody answer the question ...... is it extremist to want independence for your own country ?



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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no problemo dude...

as for your plan ... sounds good lmao!



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Regardless of most of the moronic arguments that have since occurred on the forum, it is highly offensive of our Deputy Prime Minister to make a comment to the effect that voters, who do not share his political views on the state of the Union and its future, are 'extremists'. If this man has not already devalued his own political stock by jumping into bed with the Tories and ditching his principles while he removed his pyjamas, he certainly now has.

By the way, the Liberal Democrats in Scotland are in even worse shape than the Tories - that's a measure of this offensive buffoon's political nous.

For Cameron (Scots descent or not), to be 'considering' and 'questioning' whether the devolved administration should have the power to call the referendum at all, also shows how out of touch with political reality these people are. With every statement, they actually drive Scots towards Independence.

The matter will be decided by those resident in Scotland (including non-Scots) at the time of the referendum - I'll have a tenner on June 24th, 2014.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by boaby_phet
reply to post by stumason
 


take offence all you want, but i never replied to you! i agree with everything you have said!

i was talking about alldaylong , but i had forgot the name and couldnt be bothered looking...

the forum doesnt revolve around you dude!


ps, i actualy agree with you on this subject!



The post where you stated i was being "Ignorant" was not posted by myself. I think you are becoming somewhat confused



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Enough of that ...... somebody answer the question ...... is it extremist to want independence for your own country ?
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Absolutely not!

I cant wait for the day when we get our independance from the EU too.

It will be like the good ole days again.

Scotland will be Europes bitch again.. Funny how history repeats itself hey? .. Part of the unified catholic unholy roman empire with us English protestant bastards putting salt in their sugar..

This time around though Spain could not put an armada together, the french have killed all their nobles and the pope is too busy looking like a sith lord and being a pedo enabler to go all inquisitoring and stuff

And of course we have all those nukes, own 3/4 of the words debt, have massive oil fields in the falklands, not to mention being the go to place for offshore banking etc.

Guess we all will be OK then !






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