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posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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So the MP who made this video is being forced to resign..




This is getting pretty silly now man.
edit on 16/1/12 by blupblup because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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They will not be retaking any part of the North East.

Even though we definately have more in common with our Scots neighbours than our Southern compatriots we are still very much English.


Ok lets do a deal. You help us break away from the greedy southern toffs. Then you apply to join Scotland and bit by bit more and more areas south of you will sign up. We will end up with a United Kingdom again, but the seat of power will be in Edinburgh. For your support we will grant you special favours. South of Watford gap will be banished forever .... they can rot.

Whadya think ?



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Do you know that's the best idea I've heard in years



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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A generous offer but.....



We will end up with a United Kingdom again, but the seat of power will be in Edinburgh


.....we swap our London based masters for Edinburgh based ones?

I suspect North East England would remain as disenfranchised and marginalised as ever.

Do you honestly think independant Scotish poliitics will be free of the corruption and egotistical carearists that Westminster is riddled with?

Many political observers, amongst them Scots, believe Scottish politics to be even more corrupt than Westminster and dominated by it's own old boys network.
As much as that would not surprise me I really don't have enough knowledge about it to give an opinion.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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A generous offer but.....



We will end up with a United Kingdom again, but the seat of power will be in Edinburgh


.....we swap our London based masters for Edinburgh based ones?

I suspect North East England would remain as disenfranchised and marginalised as ever.

Do you honestly think independant Scotish poliitics will be free of the corruption and egotistical carearists that Westminster is riddled with?

Many political observers, amongst them Scots, believe Scottish politics to be even more corrupt than Westminster and dominated by it's own old boys network.
As much as that would not surprise me I really don't have enough knowledge about it to give an opinion.


Corruption is every where,i feel it will be easier to see in a small country than the corporate Eton boys down south who can hide their greed and corruption more easily.

I was also thinking that despite all the info posted on this thread with articles to read for and against independence the vast majority of voters will not read information but rather take their lead from what they hear.
With the bbc likely to promote the union side it does not bode well for a yes vote.
Pessimism will rule optimism.
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posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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I intend to bring this up on the politics show tomorrow night - anyone care to come on ? Id like as diverse a group of opinions as I can have. Contact details will be in the thread.

PM me if you would like details as well



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Silk
I intend to bring this up on the politics show tomorrow night - anyone care to come on ? Id like as diverse a group of opinions as I can have. Contact details will be in the thread.

PM me if you would like details as well


Bring what exactly up? Do you mean a particular point or the general discussion on this thread? or are there particular comments that you are bringing up?
How can you bring it up on the politic show? and is it on tv?



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Corruption is every where,i feel it will be easier to see in a small country than the corporate Eton boys down south who can hide their greed and corruption more easily.


You've really hit the nail on the head as to why I am uncertain about independence being a good thing for Scotland right now....the corruption running rampant through our political and legal classes. By virtue of our small population our 'old boy network' is by any measure tighter than anything going on down south.

There are particular problems with our civil courts, dodgy lawyers defrauding clients (aided and abetted by the courts) and a severe lack of political or legal will to do anything about it. (Our Justice Minister is himself a solicitor after all). Until that is recognised and dealt with I have as little trust in tptb in Scotland as I have in those of Westminster or Europe.

A Diary of Injustice in Scotland

Scotland's Bent Judges.com



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by christina-66
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Corruption is every where,i feel it will be easier to see in a small country than the corporate Eton boys down south who can hide their greed and corruption more easily.


You've really hit the nail on the head as to why I am uncertain about independence being a good thing for Scotland right now....the corruption running rampant through our political and legal classes. By virtue of our small population our 'old boy network' is by any measure tighter than anything going on down south.

There are particular problems with our civil courts, dodgy lawyers defrauding clients (aided and abetted by the courts) and a severe lack of political or legal will to do anything about it. (Our Justice Minister is himself a solicitor after all). Until that is recognised and dealt with I have as little trust in tptb in Scotland as I have in those of Westminster or Europe.

A Diary of Injustice in Scotland

Scotland's Bent Judges.com





So basically your saying you prefer the corrupt southern Eton toffs to rip you off rather than the masonic mob up here?
hardly a good reason.
As Ive said before people will find some/any reason to justify their decision whether for or against the 40+ years of propaganda spouted by the bbc/media/unionist mps has done its job!!!!



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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As Ive said before people will find some/any reason to justify their decision whether for or against the 40+ years of propaganda spouted by the bbc/media/unionist mps has done its job!!!!


And if the vote goes against the nationalists that will be the claim won't it....London based MSM stifled debate and promoted the Unionist cause.

It's exactly the same arguement I used when the vote went against a regional Northern Assembly.

Seems to me that no matter what both Scotland and England are going to be governed by self-promoting and self-advancing carear politcians and their masters whose only purposes are self gain and the promotion of their private agendas regardless of the will or well being of the electorate.

I fully understand your sentiments and desire for independance, but ultimately I think it'll be irrelevant until we completely change our current unrepresentative and unaccountable electoral system and replace it with something that gives the people a real say in the running of this island.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 03:17 AM
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Cool video made by a friend of a friend.
Enjoy :-)



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 03:19 AM
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Unfortunately Tom Harris is my MP


I sent him an email yesterday saying he should resign completely. At the moment he's only resigned from his Media Advisor role.

This is politics, not the playground. He is supposed to be representing my consituency and this childish joke (probably done on taxpayers time) shows what kind of a guy he is.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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Haha Loving it! Great video!

Says everything you need to know in 5 mins



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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As Ive said before people will find some/any reason to justify their decision whether for or against the 40+ years of propaganda spouted by the bbc/media/unionist mps has done its job!!!!


And if the vote goes against the nationalists that will be the claim won't it....London based MSM stifled debate and promoted the Unionist cause.

It's exactly the same arguement I used when the vote went against a regional Northern Assembly.

Seems to me that no matter what both Scotland and England are going to be governed by self-promoting and self-advancing carear politcians and their masters whose only purposes are self gain and the promotion of their private agendas regardless of the will or well being of the electorate.

I fully understand your sentiments and desire for independence, but ultimately I think it'll be irrelevant until we completely change our current unrepresentative and unaccountable electoral system and replace it with something that gives the people a real say in the running of this island.


I agree with what you say,the Scots mps in Westminster don't care if independence is good for Scotland.
What they care about is their 65K year salary and as much expenses they can scam .
Bought and sold for English gold what a parcel of rouges in a nation.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:00 AM
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I also see as previously posted no Scotland no Britain.
England would have to re negotiate their EU membership assuming they want to stay in it or perhaps its a good day for the little Englanders to stay out of Europe?

uk.news.yahoo.com...



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:12 AM
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So basically your saying you prefer the corrupt southern Eton toffs to rip you off rather than the masonic mob up here?
hardly a good reason.
As Ive said before people will find some/any reason to justify their decision whether for or against the 40+ years of propaganda spouted by the bbc/media/unionist mps has done its job!!!!


And you think our ptb are NOT Eton toffs???

I'm not 'finding' reasons - my insights are based on experience not propoganda. 16 years of it to be precise. I've given up life in the 'real world' in an attempt to expose these characters. It took 12 of those years to obtain the relevant files. One of those files (were it to be read by ANYBODY in a position of authority would result in charges of fraud being brought against those concerned and an end to the little games being played that result in many lives in Scotland being absolutely ruined.

Instead I am dealing with the age old tactic of 'plausible deniability' - and I can's get anyone to even look at the file (be it the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission, the Law Society of Scotland OR the Crown Office.)

My local MSP giggled at my plight and the plight of others stating 'that's what lawyers do.' The msp concerned is an ex BBC news producer.

How about local politics? Have you ever heard of Ian Drummond of Glasgow City Council. Chances are you have not, and yet, Ian Drummond swaps titles almost annually between GDC's Chief Solicitor, Head of Corporate Services, Head of Industrial Services, Deputy Town Clerk and Town Clerk....and in my experience he has been doing so since at least 1986. He is a very powerful little man and yet if you go onto the council's website you will find little mention of him.

Our people know they can appeal to patriotism and the majority of the population will not be interested in the games of solicitors, judges, and local politicians. They should be interested however.

Sun Alliance is involved in Scotland to a frightening degree....they are the master insurer of the legal profession and their primary paymasters. Sun Alliance benefits by having a profession in their pockets. A profession that will (for the sake of the insurers, use attrition, to avoid having to pay out any large damages claims.)

The recent asbestos case is a prime example. The solicitor engaged by Sun Alliance against those suffering pleural plaques receiving payment is also a GP. During Sun Alliance's appeal against the decision they would have to pay out she sat and stated that 'pleural plaques are good for you'.

Sun Alliance lost their appeal - but the lawyers did their job. Now that it's time to pay out most of the victims are DEAD - and the sums involved are a fraction of what they would have been had the matter been dealt with efficiently.




And for an example of corruption within the legal establishment - here's John Swinney confronting Douglas Mill (Head of the Law Society) with a memo written to Swinney's constituent's solicitor. (Douglas Mill resigned after this was exposed and Swinney claims he regret exposing the racket).



None of the above is from MSM - it is the reality of our 'old boy network'...a reality that most Scots, (including you it would seem) know nothing about.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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So, EU lawyers confirm what may of us have been saying on this thread for some time...

Scotland and the rest of the UK (whatever it eventually re-names itself) will BOTH be treated as successor states. And, although some re-negotiation of membership will be required, it will only (ultimately) involve a majority vote amongst member states.

It WILL NOT require exit and re-application and compulsory adoption of the Euro.

Indeed, this could prove to be the moment that those who support the Union as a means of giving added clout to renegotiating the position with the EU have been waiting for.... Scotland becomes independent and the rest of the UK can renegotiate it's EU 'membership'.

By the way, great video Numpty!



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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Christina,

Obviously I have no knowledge of your legal problems but much of what you describe in your post - the condescending attitude of your MSP (I don't mind naming him - Ken Macintosh, I presume) and the corruption at Glasgow City Council are the results of 50 years of cronyism, apathy and nest-feathering by the Labour Party in Scotland.

They have seen Scotland in that time as essentially a block vote and have treated voters with nothing but disdain - exemplified by the famous 'monkey in a red rosette' comments. Whilst vigourously defending the Union and the benefits to Scotland, they fail to address the fact that their 'overlordship' of Scotland throughout this time has resulted in little in the way of social and economic progress in our nation. Indeed, they now use this as a rallying cry for remaining in the Union - things are so bad in Scotland that it would be folly to go down the ruinous road of independence!

Well, who's to blame for the current situation Messrs. Dewar, McConnell and Gray? You, along with your Westminster cohorts and your predecessors have created this situation whilst we were in this blessed Union...

I don't claim the Scottish National Party are the answer to everything. Even as a member, I disagree with certain policy strands, but I am clear that they do demonstrate a real desire to make things better in Scotland and for those living in Scotland - regardless of their national or racial heritage.

Independence, on its own, also won't magically solve every problem we face but it will give us the means to make more of a difference - creating policy that reflects Scottish concerns, rather than UK ones which are often not the same thing.

Neither do I base all my arguments on the economic questions (though I am very sceptical about the figures peddled by the Westminster establishment), indeed I would happily pay more in taxes - whether that be £250 or £500 per year - to have this country grow up, stand on its own two feet and stop blaming England for everything. I sincerely believe our relationship with England would be improved by independence - at the moment we do often come over as a surly neighbour and that is not a healthy relationship.

Let us harness this new confidence in Scottish civic life and continue to drive Scotland forward. Very few can deny that the SNP in the last five years have demonstrated sound judgement in their governing of Scotland - the sky didn't fall in as the Westminster and Unionist Chicken Littles warned us it would... let us not give in to their politics of belittlement, denigration and negativity.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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Good post m8. I completely agree with what you have said.

Earlier in this thread I admitted to having some respect for Mrs Thatcher ... well thats because I too do not like what we have in Scotland which is a large swathe of the population on benefits and with no job and with no prospect of a job.

It's not because there is no work to be done. There is plently of work that's why we have a large influx of economic migrants from all sorts of places coming here to get a job.

The jobs are here it's just that a whole bunch of Scots live in a bubble where everything is provided for them.

They have become institutionalised and even if presented with a job would not know what to do with it.

It's like when long term prisoners are let out of jail. They can't cope and actually want to go back inside because thats what they know.

It's very sad to see and we have to ask how do we break out of this miserable cycle.

I too want to see the end to the socialist state and find some way to encourage people to fend for themselves.

Only this way will they find self respect and respect for others and we can try and build community spirit again.

I've have enough of junkies and neds ruining everything for decent folk.

I blame the nanny state for this.

Once Scotland is independant I personally would like to see a swing to the right, business and enterprise encouraged in Scotland, make it worthwhile financially for people to get off benefits and get trained up to do something useful.

With the current system we have that will never work becuase all we get from labour is a continuation of the same old story keeping people entrapped in poverty where they think the Labour Party are going to save them. But after 60 years of lies from Labour the people are still in the gutter.

It's the London based Labour Party that has used Scotland and the North of England to keep them in a job. They have no reason to lift people up because they fear that in doing so they might lose their support.

Also the Labour idea of creating non jobs or trying to hold on to irrelevent jobs is ridiculous. A modern country needs to move with the times, diversify, retrain, invest in order to stay ahead of the rest.

Sadly none of that happens here. The SNP have been coming up with some good ideas but there is only so much they can do whilst shackled to Westminster.





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