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Originally posted by shauny
Originally posted by PapaKrok
Originally posted by stumason
Originally posted by PapaKrok
Even the Romans couldn't beat the Scots, they just built a wall....
Hmmm...
The "Scots" didn't exist in Roman times, it was the Picts around then. If you bother to look it up, you'll find the Picts themselves were taken over by Gaelic/Anglo-Saxon people's and none remain today.
Yea, technically I'm Viking stock transplanted to France, then the Highlands....but that isn't as romantic
emperor Hadrian, he built a HUGE wall at the very most northern point of England, And the Romans never came into Scotland. Scotland claimed its independance in 1707.
en.wikipedia.org...
Know your history people...please
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by trustnothing
reply to post by bigyin
I completely agree they are getting desperate, cant wait for an independent Scotland, we dont need Westminster or the City of London any moreedit on 9-1-2012 by trustnothing because: (no reason given)
As an Englishman i will be glad when Scotland becomes independent. The English can then stop subsidising Scotland. Then you can see how much Scotland needs Westminster:-
www.moneywise.co.uk...
Was waiting for this type of ignorant post...and as expected its from an Englishman...
You clearly have no idea...if Scotland becomes independent, which we will (thank the lord), we will be entitled to around 90% of the oil fields in the North Sea, let alone the Atlantic fields. With Scotland being the leading country for renewable energy in Tidal and wave, we will also capture that business. We will be allowed to dictate our own corporation taxes too.
So along with England losing a hell of a lot of oil, they will also lose a lot of companies who will relocate, lose the renewable energy sector and that brilliant idea of £2,000,000,000 per year increase in North Sea Oil tax introduced by Mr Osbourne.
You guys down there think that we are subsidised by you lot but what you fail to see is that without the business generated through oil and energy, you lot have NOTHING...
England will feel the pinch far worse than Scotland will, trust me...
Originally posted by shauny
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by shauny
Quite the angry young man aren't you.
Just one point really - I suggest you do a bit more reading on The British Empire.
Scots took quite an active and leading role in spreading and developing The Empire.
And Scotland did very well out of it indeed, just look at the money Dundee made out of the jute trade.
I assure you, Scotland was a very willing participant in The British Empire.
Not everything is down to those dastardly English.
RIIIIGHHHHT,
If you want to believe this, then thats your problem kind Sir.
The North of Ireland was STOLEN and in the mid 1800s, 10s of Thousands of Irish sought Home in the West of Scotland to Escape the English. This is also a FACT. Any more rubbish you would like to present? I posted our national anthem, 2 videos. Its Anti English. I boooo the British National Anthem. Because I am Scottish. I may have a British Passport, but its not through choice, believe me. Irish and Scottish people are VERY similar, why? Because all over History we have been enslaved by the English. Please dont post rubbish to try and rubbish my claim. I dislike the ENGLISH goverment who still run Scotland. We have our own parliment sure, but it does HEY HAW ! (Nothing of note).
ps: Why did emperor Hadrian stop his wall at Scotland?
edit on 10/1/2012 by shauny because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by stumason
It will be interesting how England will view The Scots who are domicile in England. They will not have a UK Passport when and if they get Indedpendence. There are thousands upon thousands of Scots in England (Lateset estimate around 800,000) They could be classed as illegal immigrants
And would the same not apply for the English in Scotland? I guess the figure is around 400,000. Your English passport would no longer be valid as the name would be wrong!
I think on balance the Scots would come off worst.
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by YeshuaPiso
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by stumason
It will be interesting how England will view The Scots who are domicile in England. They will not have a UK Passport when and if they get Indedpendence. There are thousands upon thousands of Scots in England (Lateset estimate around 800,000) They could be classed as illegal immigrants
And would the same not apply for the English in Scotland? I guess the figure is around 400,000. Your English passport would no longer be valid as the name would be wrong!
I think on balance the Scots would come off worst.
Why? Would you suggest internment camps?
SNP policy is that anyone resident in Scotland at the time of independence can claim Scottish citizenship. Even if they didn't want to do this, there would be no repercussions or problems - they could stay or leave regardless of their decision.
So explain why Scots would be worse off in this scenario? What repercussions do you envisage happening?
Playing Devils advocate here. So lets say Scotland gets independence. The English government may seek "revenge" by shipping all The Scots back home. I think not many English living in Scotland live in social housing, which in not the fact for The Scots living in England. Scotland would have to then find thousands of news homes for the people sent back home.
Just an imaginary vision that may or may not happen.
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by YeshuaPiso
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by stumason
It will be interesting how England will view The Scots who are domicile in England. They will not have a UK Passport when and if they get Indedpendence. There are thousands upon thousands of Scots in England (Lateset estimate around 800,000) They could be classed as illegal immigrants
And would the same not apply for the English in Scotland? I guess the figure is around 400,000. Your English passport would no longer be valid as the name would be wrong!
I think on balance the Scots would come off worst.
Why? Would you suggest internment camps?
SNP policy is that anyone resident in Scotland at the time of independence can claim Scottish citizenship. Even if they didn't want to do this, there would be no repercussions or problems - they could stay or leave regardless of their decision.
So explain why Scots would be worse off in this scenario? What repercussions do you envisage happening?
Playing Devils advocate here. So lets say Scotland gets independence. The English government may seek "revenge" by shipping all The Scots back home. I think not many English living in Scotland live in social housing, which in not the fact for The Scots living in England. Scotland would have to then find thousands of news homes for the people sent back home.
Just an imaginary vision that may or may not happen.
So what your saying is that the majority of Scots living in England live in social housing and the majority of the English living in Scotland don't live in social housing?
Where the heck did you get this cr*p from?
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by YeshuaPiso
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by stumason
It will be interesting how England will view The Scots who are domicile in England. They will not have a UK Passport when and if they get Indedpendence. There are thousands upon thousands of Scots in England (Lateset estimate around 800,000) They could be classed as illegal immigrants
And would the same not apply for the English in Scotland? I guess the figure is around 400,000. Your English passport would no longer be valid as the name would be wrong!
I think on balance the Scots would come off worst.
Why? Would you suggest internment camps?
SNP policy is that anyone resident in Scotland at the time of independence can claim Scottish citizenship. Even if they didn't want to do this, there would be no repercussions or problems - they could stay or leave regardless of their decision.
So explain why Scots would be worse off in this scenario? What repercussions do you envisage happening?
Playing Devils advocate here. So lets say Scotland gets independence. The English government may seek "revenge" by shipping all The Scots back home. I think not many English living in Scotland live in social housing, which in not the fact for The Scots living in England. Scotland would have to then find thousands of news homes for the people sent back home.
Just an imaginary vision that may or may not happen.
So what your saying is that the majority of Scots living in England live in social housing and the majority of the English living in Scotland don't live in social housing?
Where the heck did you get this cr*p from?
Lets be sensible about this. The vast majority of English people who relocate to Scotland go into well paid jobs in the Financial, Health and Education sectors. Not the sort of people who require social housing. However the Scots who move to England tend to mainly move for blue collar jobs. Take the example of Corby Northamptonshire for instance. It's know as "Little Scotland" because of the number of Scots who came to work in the steel industry.
en.wikipedia.org...
See under "Society And Culture"
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by YeshuaPiso
Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by jrmcleod
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by stumason
It will be interesting how England will view The Scots who are domicile in England. They will not have a UK Passport when and if they get Indedpendence. There are thousands upon thousands of Scots in England (Lateset estimate around 800,000) They could be classed as illegal immigrants
And would the same not apply for the English in Scotland? I guess the figure is around 400,000. Your English passport would no longer be valid as the name would be wrong!
I think on balance the Scots would come off worst.
Why? Would you suggest internment camps?
SNP policy is that anyone resident in Scotland at the time of independence can claim Scottish citizenship. Even if they didn't want to do this, there would be no repercussions or problems - they could stay or leave regardless of their decision.
So explain why Scots would be worse off in this scenario? What repercussions do you envisage happening?
Playing Devils advocate here. So lets say Scotland gets independence. The English government may seek "revenge" by shipping all The Scots back home. I think not many English living in Scotland live in social housing, which in not the fact for The Scots living in England. Scotland would have to then find thousands of news homes for the people sent back home.
Just an imaginary vision that may or may not happen.
So what your saying is that the majority of Scots living in England live in social housing and the majority of the English living in Scotland don't live in social housing?
Where the heck did you get this cr*p from?
Lets be sensible about this. The vast majority of English people who relocate to Scotland go into well paid jobs in the Financial, Health and Education sectors. Not the sort of people who require social housing. However the Scots who move to England tend to mainly move for blue collar jobs. Take the example of Corby Northamptonshire for instance. It's know as "Little Scotland" because of the number of Scots who came to work in the steel industry.
en.wikipedia.org...
See under "Society And Culture"
Yes, i and nearly every other Scot knows about Corby but what your saying is very derogatory indeed. What your saying is that English people are better (just without so many words). When it comes to finance, Scots have the 3rd highest GDP in the UK behind London and the South East.
People don't move to England for the social housing...there are numerous reasons why they move. There is a better diversity of living in Scotland, far more varied opportunities that are missing in England.
And just as a piece of info, i know 3 English families, and they all live in social housing.
I think classing people like that is where issues regarding hatred stem...its best to be left on the football pitch or in the realms of pre-1800...edit on 11/1/12 by jrmcleod because: (no reason given)edit on 11/1/12 by jrmcleod because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by woodwardjnr
The ability to laugh at each other and ourselves is a distinctly BRITISH trait and as I know all too well Glaswegians are very adept at both.....if only those surly Edinburghians, (or is it Edinburghers or even Edinbourgeois?], could do the same.
Originally posted by bigyin
According to Nick Clegg (who ?) anyone who supports the idea of an Independant Scotland is an extremist.
Originally posted by trustnothing
reply to post by bigyin
I completely agree they are getting desperate, cant wait for an independent Scotland, we dont need Westminster or the City of London any moreedit on 9-1-2012 by trustnothing because: (no reason given)
Yes, i and nearly every other Scot knows about Corby but what your saying is very derogatory indeed. What your saying is that English people are better (just without so many words). When it comes to finance, Scots have the 3rd highest GDP in the UK behind London and the South East.
Originally posted by Sicksicksick
Originally posted by trustnothing
reply to post by bigyin
I completely agree they are getting desperate, cant wait for an independent Scotland, we dont need Westminster or the City of London any moreedit on 9-1-2012 by trustnothing because: (no reason given)
You did need Westminster when the Royal Bank of Scotland and other Scottish banks needed bailing out.
An independent Scotland would never have been able to bail out those banks as the cost of doing so was greater than the whole of Scotland's GDP. But, thanks to you being in the UK, those banks were able to be bailed out.
So that was a time when you did need Westminster.
Originally posted by Sicksicksick
Originally posted by trustnothing
reply to post by bigyin
I completely agree they are getting desperate, cant wait for an independent Scotland, we dont need Westminster or the City of London any moreedit on 9-1-2012 by trustnothing because: (no reason given)
You did need Westminster when the Royal Bank of Scotland and other Scottish banks needed bailing out.
An independent Scotland would never have been able to bail out those banks as the cost of doing so was greater than the whole of Scotland's GDP. But, thanks to you being in the UK, those banks were able to be bailed out.
So that was a time when you did need Westminster.