Notes From a Guantánamo Survivor, page 1
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Topic started on 8-1-2012 @ 10:33 PM by v1rtu0s0
I'm not going to quote the entire article, but I suggest reading the whole thing because it is an insider's view on the situation in Guatanamo, especially in regards to the legitamcy of it all. These people were used more or less as propaganda tools while they were tortured in US custody.

In essence we aren't capturing terrorists, we are capturing innocent people and actually creating terrorists that didn't exist to begin with. These are your enemy combatants that so many demonstrate anger against with out really knowing the whole story, except that of the MSM.

So why would we round up a group of people whose intensions we knew nothing of? Apparently we weren't looking for terrorists, we just needed some scapegoats, which should really make you
question the whole story to begin with.


Skipping around a bit here...


At one point, I was chained to the ceiling of a building and hung by my hands for days. A doctor sometimes checked if I was O.K.; then I would be strung up again. The pain was unbearable.

After about two months in Kandahar, I was transferred to Guantánamo. There were more beatings, endless solitary confinement, freezing temperatures and extreme heat, days of forced sleeplessness. The interrogations continued always with the same questions. I told my story over and over — my name, my family, why I was in Pakistan. Nothing I said satisfied them. I realized my interrogators were not interested in the truth.



I was in Pakistan, on a public bus on my way to the airport to return to Germany when the police stopped the bus I was riding in. I was the only non-Pakistani on the bus — some people joke that my reddish hair makes me look Irish — so the police asked me to step off to look at my papers and ask some questions. German journalists told me the same thing happened to them. I was not a journalist, but a tourist, I explained. The police detained me but promised they would soon let me go to the airport. After a few days, the Pakistanis turned me over to American officials. At this point, I was relieved to be in American hands; Americans, I thought, would treat me fairly.

I later learned the United States paid a $3,000 bounty for me. I didn’t know it at the time, but apparently the United States distributed thousands of fliers all over Afghanistan, promising that people who turned over Taliban or Qaeda suspects would, in the words of one flier, get “enough money to take care of your family, your village, your tribe for the rest of your life.” A great number of men wound up in Guantánamo as a result.




After two and a half years at Guantánamo, in 2004, I was brought before what officials called a Combatant Status Review Tribunal, at which a military officer said I was an “enemy combatant” because a German friend had engaged in a suicide bombing in 2003 — after I was already at Guantánamo. I couldn’t believe my friend had done anything so crazy but, if he had, I didn’t know anything about it.

A couple of weeks later, I was told I had a visit from a lawyer. They took me to a special cell and in walked an American law professor, Baher Azmy. I didn’t believe he was a real lawyer at first; interrogators often lied to us and tried to trick us. But Mr. Azmy had a note written in Turkish which he had gotten from my mother, and that made me trust him. (My mother found a lawyer in my hometown in Germany who heard that lawyers at the Center for Constitutional Rights represented Guantánamo detainees; the center assigned Mr. Azmy my case.) He did not believe the evidence against me and quickly discovered that my “suicide bomber” friend was, in fact, alive and well in Germany.



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reply posted on 8-1-2012 @ 10:39 PM by Unvarnished
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Stories like this upset me so much because it really shows the suffering of framed and innocent people. What bothers me the most is that most of these people are not given a fair trial and it is sad to see such crimes taking place. Ah virtuoso if only the population really believes what is going, the entire system would be turned upside down.


reply posted on 8-1-2012 @ 10:43 PM by this_is_who_we_are
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Thank God for the NDAA!

Now the criminal elected officials in D.C. have no witnesses to their crimes; the rest of the prisoners will never see the light of day. And we'll never know just how sick those 'people' in D.C. really are. Criminals, actually. Elected war criminals, covering their own asses, indefinitely.



reply posted on 8-1-2012 @ 11:10 PM by TupacShakur
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That's the American way right there, uselessly and endlessly torturing people to find out nonexistant information. Luckily the NDAA broadened that so any of us can be picked up and tortured, as long as we're suspected to be associated with terrorism in any conceivable way


reply posted on 9-1-2012 @ 01:09 PM by Amaterasu
Originally posted by Unvarnished
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Stories like this upset me so much because it really shows the suffering of framed and innocent people. What bothers me the most is that most of these people are not given a fair trial and it is sad to see such crimes taking place. Ah virtuoso if only the population really believes what is going, the entire system would be turned upside down.


Sad? So many are saying it's sad. It's not sad! It's infuriating!!! It's inHuman!!! It's ANTI-AMERICAN!!!

It's ugly, evil and vile!!! It is not MY will, nor is it the will of the Americans I know. It should be risen up against!

Do We want THIS to represent the behavior of this country???


reply posted on 9-1-2012 @ 03:16 PM by FissionSurplus
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Nobody knew what went on in the Nazi concentration camps either. It was their word against the Nazis. Nobody figured anything out until the war was over, and the camps were examined.

Detention without trial or legal representation, and being held by the military with no oversight, is a sure recipe for torture. History is rife with this fact. Do you honestly feel that these people are making this up for attention, and that they are guilty of something?

Given the choice between believing somebody who was detained, and believing our government, I'll take the detainee, every time. If you believe our government, I have some fabulous swampland in Florida to sell you.
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