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Why God is real-FAITH

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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Professor: You are a Christian, aren’t you, son?
Student: Yes, sir
Professor: So, you believe in GOD?
Student: Absolutely, sir
Professor: Is GOD good?
Student: Sure
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student: Yes
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmmm?
(Student was silent)
Professor: You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student: Yes
Professor: Is Satan good?
Student: No
Professor: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From… GOD…
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes
Professor: So who created evil?
(Student did not answer)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
Student: Yes, sir
Professor: So, who created them?
(Student had no answer)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student: No, sir
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student: No, sir
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes
Professor: According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has
Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes
Student: No, sir. There isn’t
(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events)
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater)
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
Student: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed
Professor: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going)
Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter)
Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir… Exactly! The link between man and GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving
P.S - I hope you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you’ll probably want your friends/colleagues to enjoy the same, won’t you? Forward this to increase their knowledge… or FAITH. By the way, that student was EINSTEIN


Just passing this along, I've questioned God's exsistence as well but it cannot be denied.




posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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belief is not faith



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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I have seen this story before and I always liked it.

In the end it is a bit flawed, we now do have methods to see if someone has a brain and if it is functioning.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Delusions are fueled by blind faith.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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If I have faith in winning the lottery it doesn't mean it's justified or that it'll happen.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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reply to post by Headband7
 


I've got a question for that student:

What tangible, testable evidence is there that supports the existence of God?



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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The way this ends is very much typical of debates with those seeking to justify their faith; if anything, it's a great example of how some will use a flawed argument, and ignore its flaws if it justifies their thinking. This was clearly written by someone of the faith.

Ultimately you need no-one to validate or justify your own personal faith if you truly believe. If you do need either of these things, then perhaps your own belief isn't as strong as you thought.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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I suggest the We first define "God." Is God that which creates? I contend that Consciousness is "God." We are ALL "God" co-creating the Now ("Now" is the only thing that's real.)

To the end of being a "good" "God," I work to create a better universe: www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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This student should brush up on his facts before he calls God good and Satan bad.

Number of people killed in the Bible:

God: 2,270,365
Satan: 10

ALL FEAR THE WRATH OF SATAN!
:shk:



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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That was amazing. I was getting ready to shrug my head and read yet another bash against God in favor of science. What a twist. Great thread.

I read a good answer to why God is not visible to us in the universe. It comes from the poetry of Rumi.

At night there is no light, and colors are not seen;
Hence we know what light is by its opposite, darkness.
At night no colors are visible, for light is lacking.
How can color be the attribute of dark blackness?
Looking on light is the same as looking on colors...

...The opposite of light shows what is light,
Hence colors too are known by their opposite.
God created pain and grief for this purpose,
To wit, to manifest happiness by its opposites. 12
Hidden things are manifested by their opposites;
But, as God has no opposite. He remains hidden.
God's light has no opposite in the range of creation
Whereby it may be manifested to view.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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Don't get your panties in a bunch that easy everyone. He also said, "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

I don't think we would have found him in a church pew. The o.p. was a thought experiment that Al was conducting on his professor with astounding accuracy. It was merely to prove the spirit of true and solid science.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by Headband7
 


I've got a question for that student:
What tangible, testable evidence is there that supports the existence of God?


Well, I am not that student but I still want to answer.
The answer is none.
That said scientific logic has is flaws too.



posted on Mar, 24 2013 @ 11:05 AM
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Yeah but explain cold and darkness that exsists on the same premise. Pretty sure the ending is just taking a shot at the 'professor' uneeded, yes; funny, yes.



posted on Mar, 24 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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Sir/Ma'am, Your numbers are flawed. The Bible only mentions 10 people killed by Satan but how many actually have been? No one knows but my estimate puts it a higher number than you stated for God. true God has killed he tore down Jericho and struck down the sons of Egypt. But it was those people's ignoring of God that got them killed not God himself. Maybe the blowing of horsn caused such a continuous vibration the walls of Jericho could no longer stand it? In that case the Israelites would have killed them people vs. people not God himself. I got nothing for the Egyptian kids you got me there I'm man enough to admit that.




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