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Afterlife - Why No Communication?

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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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The main argument of people who KNOW there is no afterlife is simple: if there was an afterlife, surely we would be able to communicate with the deceased?

Having ''said'' that, the following can be stated:

1. The deceased do not communicate because there is no afterlife, so there is nothing to communicate with.

2. The deceased are trying to communicate with us but something is making it difficult.

3. The deceased are in a place of such beauty/bliss/hell/what have you, they simply do not want to communicate.

Of course, there is instrumental transcommunication, whereby we are supposed to be able to communicate with the dead, but - overall - there does not seem to be 100% provable communication with the dead. After all, how would one go about validating such a claim in an era of technology?

Billions of people died. If there truly was an afterlife, surely we would be able to communicate with them on a more or less constant basis. I really hope there is something more to this, but you can't deny this is strange.. there should be more communicaton attempts... unless we are just pieces of meat, a random cosmic accident. A scary thought indeed on which I'd rather not elaborate.




posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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if you wake up from a dream, can you go back and tell the "other people" in the dream that they were not real? and if you could, why would you bother?

as soon as you wake up youd realize youd just be talking to yourself.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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maybe whn you die you end up in a different universe ?

maybe you wake up in a other persons DREAM.

maybe the life we live is all a dream and the real person is behind DEATH



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by BohemianBrim
if you wake up from a dream, can you go back and tell the "other people" in the dream that they were not real? and if you could, why would you bother?

as soon as you wake up youd realize youd just be talking to yourself.


Thought about that too. This is a popular concept, and a sensible one. Still, we acquire skills in this dream, so the question is: how much would we remember?



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by BohemianBrim
if you wake up from a dream, can you go back and tell the "other people" in the dream that they were not real? and if you could, why would you bother?

as soon as you wake up youd realize youd just be talking to yourself.


Nice, i just wanted to bring up the dream respective OOBE example.

I am very often dreaming (or have the occasional, rare OOBE)....and WHILE IN THE DREAM i am also 100% convinced that everything is real and legit. I have never tried to "communicate back" to the real world from within a dream. One reality becomes a new reality..and only in the rare case of a LD or OOBE i have a faint memory of the "real world"...but it becomes irrelevant.

The mistake here is that still is assumed that your CURRENT, real "reality" is the only valid one and that the first thing the deceased would do is trying to communicate...maybe like....if someone is going on vacation and the parents expect them to call home every day and tell everything in detail - just that there is so much going on that the person on vacation totally forgets to do it.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by BohemianBrim
if you wake up from a dream, can you go back and tell the "other people" in the dream that they were not real? and if you could, why would you bother?

as soon as you wake up youd realize youd just be talking to yourself.


Nice, i just wanted to bring up the dream respective OOBE example.

I am very often dreaming (or have the occasional, rare OOBE)....and WHILE IN THE DREAM i am also 100% convinced that everything is real and legit. I have never tried to "communicate back" to the real world from within a dream. One reality becomes a new reality..and only in the rare case of a LD or OOBE i have a faint memory of the "real world"...but it becomes irrelevant.

The mistake here is that still is assumed that your CURRENT, real "reality" is the only valid one and that the first thing the deceased would do is trying to communicate...maybe like....if someone is going on vacation and the parents expect them to call home every day and tell everything in detail - just that there is so much going on that the person on vacation totally forgets to do it.


Ok, so basically we died and it's akin to waking up - we disregard the dream entirely, and even if we didn't do that, there's no way we could communicate with the dream.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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How conceited and new atheist of you to assume that nothing or no one can exist outside of where you happen to be. Naive realism at its most shameful.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by mandroids
How conceited and new atheist of you to assume that nothing or no one can exist outside of where you happen to be. Naive realism at its most shameful.


Nothing was brought to the thread by this response. Therefore, save your ad-hominems and go for a walk. Nobody needs your attitutde here. Mods, please take note next time such a fecund response appears.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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You have to walk off on the traditional beliefs concerning the real nature of material and non-material physical existence to be able to even get anywhere near figuring out what the practical hurdles are that face the post-corporeal individual when they do attempt after death communication (ADC). I've already wasted a lot of bandwidth here on the technical specifics involved in detailing the real nature of physical existence, so I'll just describe what it's like to be post-corporeal and trying to get a decipherable message through to the corporeal realm.

Imagine that you're physically injected into the global collapse sequence of a modern highrise building - say, one of the Twin Towers that collapsed completely into its own pile of rubble on 9/11 - and your task is to type a note on a manual typewriter before you and everything around you reach the street. After many attempts (think the ScyFy Channel here, where such a scenario is more of a plausible plot line) you finally begin getting a plan of activity together that allows you to get even one or two words onto the page before the event itself makes it impossible to proceed. Then you try other strategies and tactics to maybe get a full sentence in, but the truth is that the hyper-dynamic environment - one that you're simply not in complete sync with, and can't get in sync with - will never allow you the opportunity to get that note typed out. This is what it's like for the post-corporeal intelligent entity when it tries to communicate with the corporeal realm.

Most simply give up after a few attempts, and some get a quick sequence of some sort through after taking the effort on as a challenge to be overcome. One typical strategy is to affect the external/internal data stream that's flowing into the human brain's short term memory section, and manipulate the data clumps with image sequences, sounds, physical sensations, and smells that they hope will represent them to the person they are trying to communicate with. This is why most mediums report that ADC is typically symbolic. "Worth a thousand words.." as they say. It takes real skill to actually determine and isolate the specific sequences that will provide any communication from within the trillions of the event trajectories that make up the corporeal realm, let alone successfully manipulate those sequences in the form of discernible communication. Just turning off a light might require help from more experienced passed individuals, and that's probably one of the most common presence indicators. So, it can be done, but recent transition arrivals (their tenure still measured in years instead of centuries of corporeal time) are hardly capable of that level of corporeal event trajectory manipulation.

Also, with such communication, the receiver has to expend as much effort in search of the message as the sender expends in sending it, and this is where mistranslation of common coincidences - like a song on the radio, or a license plate with the deceased person's lotto numbers pulling out in front of the seeking receiver - can end up making any authentic attempts at ADC become lost within a flood of wishful thinking and smiles painted on dog's faces for those who've just lost someone.

The corporeal and non-corporeal realms are simply too incompatible for direct communication to be standardized as a defined formula procedure. Besides, the dead know that we'll be along presently. They can talk with us then.
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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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I wonder sometimes if they have "rules". Like, they shouldn't attempt to stay bound to us; perhaps it somehow thwarts what they should be doing.

And of course, the nice ones wouldn't want to frighten us.

I like to think they move on to something better, and in their hearts they know we'll be there soon enough. At least, that is what I hope for them, and us.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Afterlife - Why No Communication

I figure those that have moved on probably don't want to 'go backwards' and so they dont' bother. Those who are at a higher vibration certainly don't want to slow down to speak to us ... and those at lower vibrations cant' speed up to speak with us. Anyways .. at this point that's what I think. One guess is as good as another.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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I never try to communicate with a bad dream, do you?

We are all here in a bad dream that will soon end.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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I like your "guess" though. Might very well be the case.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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Most simply give up after a few attempts, and some get a quick sequence of some sort through after taking the effort on as a challenge to be overcome. One typical strategy is to affect the external/internal data stream that's flowing into the human brain's short term memory section, and manipulate the data clumps with image sequences, sounds, physical sensations, and smells that they hope will represent them to the person they are trying to communicate with.


My father died 17 months ago. I was with him during his illness, and his last hours. I held his hand, I brought him the picture book of National Parks that he asked for. I fed him bites of melon. I sat on the bed beside him while I was reading silently.

Before he became less responsive, I had said to him, "Daddy, in case I don't see you again, when you get to wherever you are going, could you please let me know where you are, so I'll know where to find you?"

He died the next day. I had become emotionally overwhelmed after our last time together, and I had written him a card. I asked my brother and mom to make sure to read it to him. It contained the words from the song "Love, Me."

If you get there before I do,
don't give up on me.
I'll see you when my chores are through,
I don't know how long I'll be.
But I'm not gonna let you down,
Daddy wait and see.
So between now and then,
til I see you again,
I'll be loving you....
Love, me.

The day after he died, my mother gave me his watch (long story, but a very sentimental gesture with symbolism behind it). I put it on my wrist. I noted the time, to the second, where it was set (it was no longer keeping time).

A couple of days later, while grieving alone, I looked at the watch while thinking of him. It had advanced about 10 seconds. It had no working battery.

I considered that to be ADC, and in a most touching and significant way.
Was it real? Very much so, to me.
Was it just the watch being joggled by motion? I don't believe so, though I am sure there are people who would say, "That type of watch does that, they have a known glitch."

But no one can prove it either way.

In my heart, and mind, and deepest soul, I KNEW it was my dad letting me know he was okay.
--wt (who is silently weeping now for having had this opp to share that and remembering how much it moved me).



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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It's an important issue. It may be "built-in" to the system to make it difficult. I'm going to ignore for the moment the people who claim to do this all the time via one way or another and also the people who "know" such a thing is impossible. In other words, rather than let this thread devolve into the typical "Yes, you can. No you can't" argument, let's just deal with the issue.

In terms of our intellectual evolution I think the next big leap is to understand that science and religion are two sides of the same coin. They are both attempting to understand Reality and our place in it. If we are going to advance, then these two approaches must be reconciled with one another. That assumes such a thing CAN happen and, yeah, it will be difficult.

So lets assume for the moment that there IS life after death and that it doesn't have to involve religious beliefs and is as rational as chemistry or mathematics. It has something to do with vibrational energy, something to do with a higher form of self as finer stuff. We've had hints of this from seers, the Seth books, and any number of "sensitives" who (at least say they) can see this stuff and, once in awhile, act as legitimate mediums between the two worlds.

What we need is a way to open a conduit between the two worlds in a way that is competent and easily accomplished. I favor the idea of a Spiricom-like device. In fact, I built the functional equivalent of a Spricom (ala George Meek) out of modern parts and a Ham radio. I've never gotten it to work, and as far as I know, no one else ever has either. But the principle of the idea, if sound, is the kind of thing we need.

Why? Some people here have suggested no one wants to talk to a bad dream. I understand. It may be just that simple, but I would like to suggest that if we could get such a system working, our bad dream would begin to end. If we absolutely knew there was another realm and new objectively a bit about it, we might take a different spin on things here. Materialism would have a much different "use" for us than it does now.

Well, obviously this subject is vast. The task before us is to explore a way to make this conduit work. That would be awesome.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Biggest questions ever, what happens when we die, and why can't we speak to the departed.

We can postulate and theorize all we want. Noone will know until they pass over.

It could be SO great that if we knew we would want to go there. Hence a lot of suicides. Which we have been told if you do that you go to hell.

I dunno.

But it reminds me of a story.

An elderly couple died together and went to Heaven. They were shown to their very beautiful home beside a lake and a golf course with beautiful weather and everything they wanted. George looked at Hazel and said, "See Hazel, we could have been here a long time ago if you hadn't made us eat all that health food!"



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Noone will know until they pass over.


That, I would argue is exactly the point. If an afterlife exists after all.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Afterlife - Why No Previous Research Before Creating a Thread?

Have you not heard of Spiritism and mediumship? If you had you would know not only there is communication but also strong evidence of it.

Some spirits do interact with the living and vice versa. Just because you can't, doesn't mean there isn't.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by mailboxuser2009
Afterlife - Why No Previous Research Before Creating a Thread?

Have you not heard of Spiritism and mediumship? If you had you would know not only there is communication but also strong evidence of it.

Some spirits do interact with the living and vice versa. Just because you can't, doesn't mean there isn't.


Unfortunately, it is an area rife with fraud. What we are talking about here is something much more concrete where no "medium" is required. If the Spiricom device actually worked, that would be along those lines, but, ah, it doesn't. Also, the "medium" approach isn't even close to being scientific. If there is life after, then science absolutely must, almost by definition, come across this reality and deal with it.

But charlatans spewing ectoplasm in darkened rooms does not cut it.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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You are time dwelling inside your "recording", which is all matter, energy and space itself within your efffective range for electromagnetic and electrostatic fields you produce as well as static and kinetic spatial displacements, all in the PAST from conception to death.

Your a time dweller when you die, communicating with and serving your still embodied self as the presence of your CONSCIENCE. Your conscience (you after you've died and now know what's "on the other side") is trying to get you to record the Presence which is the opened escape Door. Your time dwelling self needs a way out and away from your still embodied self.

Time is a recording medium much like recording tape holds impressions of electromagnetic variations that we have machines convert into sounds and/or video.
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