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Are the wars incited and created by the same entities?

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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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Well, I was watching a chinese channel the other day, called BTV. On this channel, they were going over the history of China, when foreigners are concerned. In short, their version of history was of course a little different then what we are used to, but still has all the same key elements.

In their version, the british and french invasion in the 1800, were because of some 33 people dying, not because of a gaint wave of Chinese murdering foreigners. The french and british invaders, then raided China, and stole invaluable properties from the Palace in Beijing. When seeing their display of it, the raid of Bagdad came to mind.

But more interesting, was their tale about WWII. I'll skip over it, and go right back to what they said. They said, that prior to WWII, The US of A, provided japan with the precise same weapons, that the japanese used to bomb China. For proof, they took some bomber aircraft with twin tail, to show that the japense one and the american were basically the same. I looked further, and came to the same conclusion ... and further, I saw the Lancester, the Mitchell and Mitsubitchi G3M ... are virtually the same aircraft.

Going further down this road, I also noticed on Chinese news ... that the Chinese version of "SWAT" are actually wearing the EXACT same cloathing, as their US counterparts. They're even wearing the same helmet.

It appears to me, that the PTB, are actually selling arms to different factions of the world, and inciting war and conflict. That all the world wars and wars in general today, are created by the same interrest group.

The reason I say that, is that I understand that people would want to "copy" some really good stuff from the oponent. But the twin aircrafts are NOT, a part of that scenario ... nobody who "knows" anything about them, would actually copy these. Unless they are "buying" from someone who is "selling", either an "idea" or ready made product.




posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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Not seeing the same report as you had, I am not able to speak directly to the details of the report.

However, the United States did prior to WWII supply (sell) weapons to Japan.

It is possible for one to draw the conclusion that the United States “set up” Japan for war with our diplomatic pressure and Naval Blockade prior to WWII .

Prior to WWII the US viewed Japan as a second world nation trading partner, but as Japan’s economy grew and Japan’s need for expansion to fuel the growing economy became apparent with Japan’s boarder intrusions into Mongolia and Korea the Foreign policy of the US began to change. The US placed political sanctions on Japan and was vocal for others nations to follow suit. The US Navy set up a blockade to restrict Oil deliveries and goods exported. The strangle hold that the blockade placed on Japan was viewed by the Japanese as an act of War.

Some of the weapons in Japan arsenal were purchased directly from US manufactures and most of the raw steel that fueled Japan’s War machine originated in US steel mills.

So it sounds as if the report you saw contained many elements of factual information.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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To expand on your thread concerning the “double dealing” the US engages in surrounding the fueling of the Global War machine I would submit that this is how the US corporations conduct business, with the blessing of the US Government.

Japan’s story is not extraordinary, the US had a very similar relationship with Germany prior to, and after, WWII as well.
The US viewed Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party as method to reign in Stalin and the Soviet Union prior to WWII. Prior to WWII Stalin and the Soviet Union was seen as the greatest threat to Western Europe, this is when the “Cold War” actually began. Stalin had already began the Soviet Expansion, and had already murdered more than 6 million in the process.

Hitler and the Nazis were being financed by the Ford Foundation and the Carnegie Foundation and other groups including Brown Brothers & Harriman, with Prescott Bush as the director of BBH. US corporations like E.I. DuPont built gun powder factories in Germany to supply the Nazi war machine. IBM also was heavily involved, but these weren’t the only US Corporations that saw profits in helping the Nazi war machine.

Now, lets us fast forward to the present day, The US Military Industrial Complex is still heavily involved in supplying both side of a conflict. Iraq, Afghanistan both were supplied by the US prior to our conflict today. Pakistan is a huge importer of US weapons. India, Turkey, most of Africa are also large purchasers as well.

First the US supplies the weapons then the US find reason for that country to use the weapons, it’s not profitable if the weapons just rust away in a warehouse, because after the conflict the US gets to sell more weapons to the same country. I.E. Germany and Japan.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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it goes even beyond China and WWII....simply look at the History of Europe and the Rothschilds who in essence via the Illuminati movement replaced the Financiers and Financial controllers of the past, the Kingdoms of the world called Monarchies with a Bank Based system or Oligarchy.

The Rothschilds began this takeover and have long since funded both sides of most of our major wars beginning with the French revolution where via the Illuminati movement they funded the revolutionaries and generally provide more money to the side that they intend to become victorious....the French Monarchy was subsequently thrown out and replaced with .....a Rothschild controlled Central Bank and one of Rothschild's Sons ....AND a so called democratic system.

But the Banks still have the final word...simply because they control the Money.

It's really no different today the same system is in place The Fed lends to Government allowing it to spend more than it takes in in tax revenues causing massive deficits.

But as we saw most recently with Libya and before that Iraq, the spoils of the wars go back to the Banks in the form of Oil revenues via their major Oil concerns namely British Petroleum aka BP.

Remember when the Iraqis were seeking their Nation's rebuilding fund....supposedly safe and sound in our Federal Reserve Bank (which is as Federal as Federal Express in actuality) the money, all 8 Billion of it was no where to be found.

What were the Iraqis to do about it ? Go to war ?



But that in a nutshell is the system of wars today.....the spoils of war are rewarded to the financial backers...in the days of old it was the Kings and their Kingdom ....and today it's the world's Biggest Banks that benefit.

And exactly as to why we are so focused upon war in the Middle East....much to benefit from financially and guarded by relatively weak militaries.....as is the case with Syria and Iran.

Peace



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Yes, if you have the power to determine legal tender and absoulte control over it, then you have absolute power. All the players in world war II were bankrolled by the same banksters. Look at all the US bases in Europe, without a threat they would have never been accepted, but if the nations ruled by the banksters sent their armies as liberators from a supervillain they financed, then it was a different game. Problem reaction solution.
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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Also look at the land that Israel now occupies and how it was acquired via the treaty of Balfour....

In essence the Egyptians were allied with the Germans in WWI and due to their loss of the war were unable to repay their war loans to the Rothschilds and in exchange for the defaulting of the loans the Rothschild Banksters had created an agreement with the British that allowed them take the land that we now know as Israel in exchange.

This Absolutely is the Hegelian Dialectic as well as .....the hallmark of the Illuminati.....Problem, Reaction ....Solution !

It's called Usary for a reason....it uses people and enslaves them with debt and servitude.....

The same as we all are....and why even those receiving unemployment are still required to pay income taxes on the wages received.....wages that we have all paid for in Taxes !


Peace



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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When you look into past wars, you see that a lot of powerful people are involved in one way or another. They could be making profits, they could be inciting the wars through propaganda, providing weapons and supplies for both sides, things like that.

Plus there are just the blatant lies, like the Gulf of Tonkin Incident that got us into Vietnam, which actually never happened. Then there is foreknowledge, like the US being warned about Pearl Harbor but not doing anything to prevent it, or like the US being warned about the terrorist attack on 9/11, but also not doing anything to stop it.

I'd say that some wars are incited and created for sinister reasons that we aren't told on the nightly news. I think the wars in the Middle East in the name of fighting terrorism is a great example. One juicy false flag attack on American soil, and the Bill of Rights can be taken apart piece by piece in a matter of years.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Well, I always say that an idea cannot be bought or sold (or copyrighted, for that matter), but I agree with you. There is some point where push comes to shove; where the conspiracy theories become conspiracy facts. This is one of those.

I do believe that the same group of people has engineered every war. Look at WWII: in 1933, a National Socialist dictator rose to the highest position in Germany. In 1933, an International (Regular) Socialist rose to the highest position in the United States. Both of these men implemented the ideas of concentration camps during their extensive reigns, before both died in the year 1945.

Conspiracy much?
Seraph



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 02:33 AM
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I appreciate your thoughts, and I agree with you. The chinese were very thourough in their report, they took it as fact seeking ... they showed, the US helping China, then showed, the US providing the weapons that killed the Chinese.

The bomber plane, Mitsubitchi G3M, and the US Mitchell are virtually the same plane. They also showed the plane in original movies, where it had the US pentagon on it. But the japs had put a red circle in the middle ... they didn't even bother to paint it over.

One of the reasons I asked, is this. I look at news, TV shows, books and movies. And wherever I look, I find reference to "the end times". Take a look at the movie "The Matrix". Where you actually take "zionism" and put into a good phenomena, and paint the world as "machines without thought or emotion". Then look at the movie "10000 B.C.", where it paints the ancients as "chinese" and the mongoloids, as mongolids.

To me, it looks like there are those who are trying to "push" for "end times". Question is, is the a conscious move or not?



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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There have always been people selling supplies, chemicals, arms, etc to both sides of a conflict. It's been going on for thousands of years.

No different than in high school when you instigate two kids to fight and take bets and cutting yourself a percentage. Or think like running a football perhaps, if you never thought about the fight thing....



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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No it has not been going on for thousands of years. Try 300 years or so.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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During the Falklands war Landrovers were sold to the Argentinians. Landrover is a British company. You have heard of the expression "All's fair in love and war"! Soldiers are just pawns unfortunately in 99% of the wars hence most of congress would not countenance their precious children joining up. At least the british sent their spares out to fight.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Cassius666
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No it has not been going on for thousands of years. Try 300 years or so.


Unless Ancient Greece as around 300 years ago I think you're wrong.

Light Reading.

If you dig deep enough, you find Greeks who funded wars and supplied arms, foodstocks and materials to both sides. Some reason you think this is something new?



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 02:05 AM
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Not the same people but of the same criminal organizations.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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I think you are right and wrong. You are right that powerful entities like the CIA among many others DO incite violence in other countries and instigate conflict. This is well-documented and I think you are good in bringing up specific instances of this so that more can realize it. I think you are wrong to think that all wars, in all situations, are fought by some "other". TPTB are also human and humans have the capacity for war. As much as it is only the direct fault of some, it is all of humanity's responsibility to stop war and be peaceful. Think about it, if none of the terrorists bought or used weapons from TPTB, then TPTB wouldn't have instigated much of a conflict, would they have? Every soldier chooses to go out onto the battlefield, regardless of who influenced them or tried to make them kill. We can't just hope that others choose peace - we need to choose it in our own lives and actively attempt to make the world choose non-violence.
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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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Thought I'd mention Prescott Bush funding Hitler in WWII. Both teams were serving the same God of War...








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