'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits', page 1
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Topic started on 7-1-2012 @ 03:15 PM by R_Clark

'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'


www.telegr aph.co.uk
A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.
(visit the link for the full news article)

MOD NOTE, old story
By Clare Chapman

12:01AM GMT 30 Jan 2005


edit on Sun Jan 8 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: clarity



reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 03:44 PM by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by icepack



My thoughts exactly. She has every right to say no.

An average lawyer and she can fight such an issue and win pretty easy, I suspect.

As for what the OP said about People being forced to service their friends because homosexuality is becoming more accepted.... They can't be serious with that nonsense.....

No one is being forced to do anything. At all. No one is being forced to service friends or family and it is silly to suggest it.
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reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 03:46 PM by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by Raist



She doesn't have to say yes. She is not being forced and she is not a slave. She is not a victim of human trafficking.


reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 03:47 PM by okamitengu
reply to post by R_Clark



its from 7 years ago and was obviously not enforced because it was found that if someone doesnt consent to sex, its rape. even if sex work is legal. its like rocket science i know.


reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 03:48 PM by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by okamitengu



Well, there you go.The article is 7 years old. A dead issue. You make a very good point, as well.. Whether prostitution is legal or not. If you are unwilling it is rape and they can't rape people.

That ends that, as far as I can see.
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reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 04:07 PM by Raist
reply to post by gimme_some_truth



Yes this is a bit old; I missed the date at first so now this should not be an issue any longer.

As for her not being forced to, well that is a matter of how one sees it. If you are receiving benefits and they will be taken if you do not take the job you are in a sense being forced to or go without the benefits. Simply a matter of perception with that.

I would like to see an update on this to see how it worked out for her though.

Raist


reply posted on 8-1-2012 @ 04:46 AM by muzzleflash
Now my opinion and analysis of this article's insinuations:

"This totally reveals the mechanism of slavery that people are trapped in that we call "jobs".

Ok lets say that we make an exception for prostitution in this system as is, such as a "moral objector" clause. If you morally - ethically object to this particular job it will not be held against you and your contracted benefits won't be stripped.
Get it?

Now let's see how far I can apply this "moral objector" clause.

Military jobs - I morally object to killing or helping others kill.
McDonalds - I morally object to putting poison in people's bodies and calling it food.
Gas Station - I morally object to supporting the oil industry which leads to environmental degradation and wars/killing.
Video Rental Store - I morally object to supporting propaganda and brainwashing mechanisms.
Computer Repairman - I morally object to supporting an industry that creates tons of toxic pollution and enslaves people overseas, etc.
Telemarketing or Journalism - I morally object to lying and manipulating people for money.
Walmart - I morally object, etc etc.

So on and so on. I can invent a legitimate and logical moral objection to virtually every type of job you can conjure up, based on some reasoning or another.

So thus it is revealed that we are indeed enslaved by the very system we are forced to support.

Why are people forced into committing morally objectionable acts just to afford food, water, and shelter?
This is slavery obviously."

And opinion two in response to the "moral objection clause" theory:

"Who declares themselves the "Authority" on what is morally objectionable?
The Government? Isn't the government full of some of the most morally repugnant people on Earth?
The Corporations? Ditto.
The Religions? Ditto.

What happened to separation of religion and state?
This is actually awesome because it totally reveals a MAJOR CRACK in the wall.
Time to tear the wall down.

How about I personally decide what is morally acceptable for myself, without intrusion of any entity outside of myself as long as my decisions do not harm any other person's liberty?"



reply posted on 8-1-2012 @ 01:11 PM by Raist
reply to post by CaptChaos



Not sure about in Germany but here in the U.S. part of the taxes taken from my check goes toward unemployment. If they do not wish to pay me unemployment should that occur then they better stop taking it from me to begin with.

I have been paying into that system for a good many years now, never once have I had to use the system, but I would like to think that if I needed to it would be there, and not ask me to do something I morally object to.

Raist


reply posted on 8-1-2012 @ 01:30 PM by Afterthought
reply to post by R_Clark



Suddenly, legalizing prostitution doesn't seem that great anymore.

If she is forced to take the job, wouldn't this be defined as rape? After all, she doesn't want to be there and she's being forced to do it. Starve or pleasure men for a living. Hmmm. I guess I'd starve.

Edit to Add: I just read the comments and see that this is an old article. Still, it is an issue. I'd be interested to learn how the situation was rectified and where the woman is/isn't working today.
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