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The Priest who changed the history

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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Omphale

Unfortunately, it took several, at least, 'evil' kids to cause that death toll. And the preparations began long before Hitler became a player in it.




Well yes, I know I'm over simplifying it and giving Hitler more "credit" than is due... he is essentially the poster boy for the regime and for the movement... and if it wasn't him, as someone else said, it would have been someone else.


But just for this purely hypothetical thread, Hitler will do as my target.



I enjoyed 'Inglorious Basterds' immensely...on a side note


But..realistically, Hitler was hugely unimportant, I can think of better preventative targets...if anyone would like to give me a time machine...I'm game.




posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by Omphale
But..realistically, Hitler was hugely unimportant, I can think of better preventative targets...if anyone would like to give me a time machine...I'm game.




Hmmmm


Who else?


ETA: Mao, Ghengis Khan, Jesus?
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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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Who else?
I think you will never get that answer.




posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Omphale
But..realistically, Hitler was hugely unimportant, I can think of better preventative targets...if anyone would like to give me a time machine...I'm game.




Hmmmm


Who else?


The Dulles brothers for starters...the Wallenbergs...Montague Norman...Schroder...Goering...that'd take out the facilitators...for a time...

...add John J McCloy to that...without whom none of it would have been possible...
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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:07 AM
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Well I edited mine spreading it out a little further.




Originally posted by blupblup

ETA: Mao, Ghengis Khan, Jesus?




but yes, sticking with the Germans, you're right.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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Mao, Ghengis Khan, Jesus
Homo sapiens?



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
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Well I edited mine spreading it out a little further.




Originally posted by blupblup

ETA: Mao, Ghengis Khan, Jesus?




but yes, sticking with the Germans, you're right.


Oh gosh no...let's not go back that far...I know my limitations



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
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Mao, Ghengis Khan, Jesus
Homo sapiens?





Indeed... I can't even imagine what the planet would look like without us? The things that we hunted to extinction and polluted to death or caused to never be created.

Just think of the landscape, the amazing species of animals, the huge whales and fish.... the HUGE birds.

Man... :shk:



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:12 AM
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Just think of the landscape, the amazing species of animals, the huge whales and fish.... the HUGE birds.
Anyway we never learn anything from history,not even when we are near self extinction.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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If you lead by example, it is not about the outcome, it is about your actions leading up to.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
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How would that make me any better than him, if I let him die?
It is wrong to let a child die,but is wronger to let a dictator live.



It's really a matter of utilitarian ethics vs deontological ethics. A similar argument would be cases of imminent domain where the sacrifice of one can have a large positive impact for others. The case goes though that land owners have rights that supercede the potential positive gain for others.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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it is about your actions leading up to
yes but they like that,when you action are approved it's hard to change the history.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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It's really a matter of utilitarian ethics vs deontological ethics.
I think it is more a question of saving innocent lives.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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Hitler lost the war.
If he would have won, the allies would have been the bad guys in the history books.
If Germany won.....
Imagine the horror of the German and Japanese soldiers when they found the death camps in the US holding US civilians of asian descent.
Malnourished dead and dying as war had taken its toll on food supply routes.
Just maybe Hitler was not the bad guy, I really cannot say, nor can anyone else alive.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
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It's really a matter of utilitarian ethics vs deontological ethics.
I think it is more a question of saving innocent lives.



Then that would be utilitarian ethics.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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the allies would have been the bad guys in the history books
Of course and build gas chambers and concentration camps,and mass executions.....



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:46 AM
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Then that would be utilitarian ethics.
Consequentialism is not neccesary the rightness or wrongness of an act or rule but more like a nonmoral good.




posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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I would have saved him.

The act of intervening can change everything. What if it was a rabbi?

Irrelevant to the end. I am happy to save one life if he ends millions. He will be called all the more accountable on judgement day for misusing a life not his own.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Don't twist what is not true.

Hitler wanted to murder Jews.

Roosevelt didn't want Pearl Harbor to happen in San Francisco bay.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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What if it was a rabbi?
So you can say about Bin Laden!



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