reply to post by StellarX
In general you raise a lot of legit points, but you also generalize a lot in a few cases which I will try to address.
Once again this is not an attack on Islam or muslims in general, I know most of you are normal people just like I hope you see “us” as normal.
According to you're values perhaps that is so but which countries have been responsible for the world wars of the last century? The imperialism? The
Genocides? Western 'society'.
Yes Germany was behind WW I and II but most of the western countries suffered during those wars, you are blaming the populations that in most cases
was the target of genocide.
I agree there has been far too much genocide in Europe in the last century but you have also seen a lot of nasty genocide in some African countries,
also in recent years. Somalia, Rwanda and Nigeria too mention a few.
On the issue of imperialism your almost spot on. America and the European governments are moving at a frightening speed towards a totalitarian global
empire. I know that the populations in several European country’s is against this growth in empire, some of these populations are in England,
Ireland, The Netherlands and Denmark.
Does it even matter if Muslim society is violent or corrupt when western society are apparently fast heading to destroying EVERYONE's ability to
Yes it does matter.
And you are right about the destruction of the environment. Again I would blame the governments (politicians) and not the populations in most European
countries. Some European countries got very advanced programs for renewable energy, and the power plants don’t pollute a fraction of what they did
30 years ago. This is because our politician believe in the global warming (hoax), but at the same time they are to corrupt to allow real alternatives
to get a chance for a real change. The reason for this is because they believe they can use taxes like carbon tax as a tool to create their global
empire. They would rather focus on a hoax manipulation tool like manmade global warming, compared to doing something about real issues such as
Another point would be that if they released free energy devices, they would have a hard time keeping the matrix alive and the "third world countries"
at bay. The energy"crisis", the polution and the rise of tyrany are the three most importent issue if you want to increase the standard of living all
over the world (from my point of view).
Our politicians buy into another hoax to, most of them follow the tune of the global corporate elite for various suspect reasons. The corporate elite
is the real people to blame for the environmental mass-murder and we the people should start yelling “enough is enough” and send some of these
criminals to rot in jail for life. We don’t have a real alternative in Denmark, we can vote for red or blue block parties, both is pro war (against
the peoples will), both is pro-empire (against the peoples will) all thou both got a few anti-empire individuals, both are pro bailouts sponsored by
devaluation of our money and the list could go on and on....basically we got a choice between two of the same kind and none of the handle real issues
as i mentioned.
So the protestant ( nazi's)
hmmm...You'r far over the line here. I don’t know any nazi's, but I know thousands of protestants.
Can i bring up a few of those cultural/legal values western civilization prides itself by such as women's rights?
Women "won" the right to vote in 1915 in Denmark and 1919 in America. We're not allowed to beat up our women in any western countries as far as i know
of and in most of the countries you wont find sadistic laws like sharia that got some nasty punishments for women, so how are muslim countries doing
with women rights?
What we do lack of is in the western (and the rest) of the world is protection of our human rights and liberties which is getting undermined by the
growing empire controlled by the corporate/finacial global elite.
impress me with extensive lists on what makes Islam so utterly intolerable&irredeemable.
I'm happy your post don’t address me, I would have a hard time fulfilling your request.
I can add one thing to the list. I'm very much pro-secular society and believe any kind of religious interference in poletics should be illegal and
banned from government’s that’s reason enough to despise Sharia-law, another reason would be the content of Sharia. Now you will say I'm the one
generalizing here and yes I do know Sharia is not practiced in that many countries.
Where would this sense of superiority come from if not from nationalistic&religious indoctrination/education?
We do have to much indoctrination and brainwashing in the western schools, but that’s going on all over the world.
Nationalism sadly is on the rise in many western countries, partly because of a very BIAS'ed media and partly because of things like the issue of this
Normally those who leave one area for another are those who can’t adapt to changes where they used to live and as best i can tell nothing has
True, but that doesn't change the fact of their background or their deeds. I would never consider raping anyone or hurting any innocent "just because"
members of my family got bombed or worse.
It is truly sad that so many people are unable to see the similarities in our common struggle for the freedom to worship as we choose while pursuing
the economic liberty we can only attain by means of a independent income. The freedom from debilitating need ( hunger/shelter etc) is after all the
preeminent freedom hence it's absence in western constitutions and pretty much anywhere else.
Very good point.
edit on 27-1-2012 by Mimir because: (no reason given)