These 'experts' quote studies with pseudo-science and 'parts' of real studies and dated work from monotherapy studies - but do not bother to reference what was happening to the patients at that time in the history of the disease. They harp on the inaccuracy of the testing as if the doctors had no idea. They ignore the other tests that are used to verify a 'false positive'. And finally, they IGNORE the SICK and the DEAD that DIDN"T participate in their selected studies they like to quote.

These 'experts' may even quote 'case studies' of patients they have read about on these sites.They like to give reports of people that sucessfully beat it using their alternative cures. But...where's the long-term followup? Where are these patients that are still alive? Can you find ANY of them? NO. They are DEAD too, just like the ones that did nothing.

For those that are defensive of alternate therapies, I don't knock them, I do seek them out. But I can't ignore the obvious. They can slow this down, but they WON"T stop it. They can make it easier to tolerate the drugs, but they cannot REPLACE them.

These 'experts' have NO EXPERIENCE with either the virus, or the victims of the virus. No motivation to learn the real facts. A lot of what they state about other conditions may be true. But MUCH of what they spout about HIV is completely FALSE, and dangerous. Yes, dangerous.

These 'experts' seem to deny death. And obviously they have never met anyone that has dealt with this for decades, or anyone that was not able to make it.

And WHY do denialists keep bring back the boogyman of the late 80s (AZT)? Is it because they don't understand that (at that time) the scientists still thought they might be able to eradicate the virus, and had not learned yet how successful it mutated? Sure a lot of these patients died. They volunteered because they were already dying. Only the ones that were able to hang on until 1997 and get the new combos were able to survive.

I know my truth - I was dying with about a year left, and no one had to convince me I was sick. I started the drugs in 2001. I am healthy and alive 11 years later.

I'll give you another truth - my case study counselor had 350 patients beginning in 1989. Only 48 of those survived until 1997, when the triple-therapy combos came out (1996 is when the scientists quit trying to kill the virus with mega-doses of single drugs and attempted to control it instead with smaller doses of multiple drugs).
After 1997, she had only TWO patients die of the remaining 48,
Those two refused to take the new combo drugs because of the 'boogyman' monotherapy they saw kill their friends.

This is not stuff I found on the 'net to support misguided beliefs and hidden agendas. This is my LIFE EXPERIENCE.

So for those that read this thread and began to believe this dangerous spiel, ask these 'debunkers' if they have any LIFE EXPERIENCE with the condition besides something they herard from a friend of a friend.

I believe most of these 'debunkers' have an agenda, and it is deadly.
It is definitely DEADLY for those that believe it and find later it was a big LIE.

The flags for knowing if the 'debunking' is full of crap:

1) Attack on the ELISA test - holdover from the 80's when it was the only game in town. False positives are eliminated by PCR and genotype assays that identify the virus,and CD4 counts that identify the damage, and viral load tests that tell exaclly how much is in the bloodstream. The newest test (used in a clinical trial now for patients that have been extremely successful on the drugs) can detect down to one copy of virus per mL of blood.

2) Any references to AZT - for one, this drug was the only thing they could find in 1989 that could slow it down, and people were dying. The trials with this drug were destined to fail because nonotherapy does not work with HIV. Yes it was toxic in the large amounts that were given. Same for the others that were tried prior to 1997. This is history, not the current condition of treatment.

3) any references to patients that have been 'sucessfully' treated by alternative medicine. I have yet to see a followup after 10 years on any single one. Sure in the reports they get better, there is no denial that alternative medicine can improve our condition....however their CD4 continue to drop and they eventually die. I have never met one, and I have met hundreds at conventions and seminars that live with this, and none of them know anyone that can do this. All of them know someone that is dead that tried it.

4) Studies of the drug trials showing high failure rate - Evey one posted in this thread, refer to 'monotherapy' studies. That is automatically the RED FLAG that tells you the study was not done with the current science of 'control' but the previous attempts at eradication. Therefore dated, and not applicable to the current crop of drugs.

Why do denialists want us to die? Ask THAT question.