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reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 10:48 PM by ManBehindTheMask
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Truly an awesome story...........I hope people still know that there are good people in uniform out there...


However its not the Iranian people anyway that dislike us, its their gov IMHO


If this had been the other way around, the Iranian Navy would have new "CIA Hostages"

sorry for my cynicism but......yeah
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reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 10:54 PM by sheepslayer247
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The Iranian government may dislike the US, that is true. Is it not also true that considering their actions, our own government dislikes us as well?

Where do we draw the line between impending war and diplomatic reason?

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The gas price around here is the same as the week prior. I don't know what your local prices are, but you are obviously being gouged.

By the way, it helps if you talk nicely to the local gas station attendant. I usually pay 15 cents less than the posted price for gas just for having a good relationship with the lady at the counter!
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reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 10:12 AM by DerepentLEstranger
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LL
look at 'em just lap up the propaganda

of course it's staged/social-engineering, feel-good propaganda

1st
somali piracy is a desperate last ditch effort at survival against western genocide

JOURNAL: A Global to Local to Global Criminal Example

Nice tersely worded example on how predation by the global economic system helped drive Somali piracy. From David Axe: www.warisboring.com...

Recall that Somali piracy has its roots in the 1990s, when the collapse of the Somali government threw open the doors to major foreign fishing companies to illegally enter Somali waters and fish out all the tuna, which once comprised one of Somalia’s major commodities. The first Somali pirates were fishermen who decided to render a “fine” on any boats they found illegaly fishing Somali waters. Well, guess what. Piracy has effectively cut in half tuna hauls for major foreign fishing companies working near Somalia, according to Warships International Fleet Review. Today piracy is essentially organized crime, at sea. But the piracy mafia has inadvertently accomplished what the original pirates set out to do. Somali pirates have every reason to be proud. Whether on purpose or not, they have defended their waters while evading the combined might of the world’s navies.

Technology driven connectivity makes it possible for these "remote" groups to take the fight back to the global system. Remember, in a flat globalized world, everyone is in competition with everyone else. There aren't any meaningful barriers. We are going to see this dynamic again and again...

If you find yourself alone and naked in a global gun fight -- tribe up!
source: globalguerrillas.typepad.com...


JOURNAL: Guerrilla Entrepreneurs take to the seas
globalguerrillas.typepad.com...





Some thinking on Somali pirates:

Seal snipers took out three Somali pirates and freed an American hostage held in a lifeboat. What's interesting to me is the decision making process used to resolve this minor problem. Here are some of the aspects. Firstly, there was a timer on the hostage stand-off. Other pirate groups/ships (an open source insurgency with commercial drivers) were en route to surround the lifeboat or take control of the hostages. Secondly, this minor decision involved a highly centralized decision making loop that included the President, the Commander of CENTCOM, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the DoJ, and the White House/NSC -- just to pull the trigger on three kidnappers holding a hostage at gunpoint. Lastly, one of the biggest fears of the US government is that these pirates would be arrested. Why? Since Somalia is a mess, they would become wards of the US, likely suffer only minimal jail time, and eventually end up applying for US citizenship.
The symbiosis between private insurance and privateering dominates. If the company that owned the rescued ship wasn't a US defense contractor, its kidnapping insurance company (likely Lloyds) and its designated crisis representatives (likely Control Risks Group) would have negotiated to pay the pirate's fee to get the hostage back -- as are thousands of kidnappings from Mexico to Colombia to Nigeria to the Gulf of Aden are settled every year. Somali pirates have made tens of millions this way already. Further, in many parts of the world, kidnappers are almost never caught/killed (<5% in Mexico and the same is likely true for Somalia). So, given this backdrop, the Navy's rescue effort was just a sideshow and the industry that made it possible will continue to grow rapidly.
Dead end solutions dominate in great power capitals. The most commonly suggested solutions, patrols by conventional navies and nation-building, aren't the answer. Both are expensive and would be futile over the longer term. The Pyrrhic solution that will eventually be adopted is a combination of A) funded militias (Somali anti-pirates that raid pirate dens) and B) business as usual (private sector management ala the symbiosis detailed above). Might as well cut to the end game and quite the near term charade (I told this to the House Armed Services committee when I testified in early April).
source: globalguerrillas.typepad.com...

consider the above next time you stuff your face full of tuna

2nd how long will it take to arrange a trade between these iranians and the american spy recently caught?

with push button patriots like these america's destruction is assured

and get a clue you so called patriots
it's not america we hate, but the american octopus

EDIT to add sorry SS already posted yesterday www.abovetopsecret.com...
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