reply to post by gabby2011
Gabby, I know you are a Christian and have a deep faith....so I want to ask this of you (repectfully). If God is so merciful, why is it that when I
was a child and being hurt, he never helped me? I would lie in bed crying and praying at age 5 BEGGING for him to help me.....nothing. In fact, it
got worse. I wonder how a God of love could turn a blind eye to an innocent child? I'm asking because I can think of no explanation for this. The
song says he loves all the little children. This seems contradictory to me. My whole life, I wanted to have faith.....but what I was taught, and the
reality of what happened to me just doesn't mesh. Explanation from your point of view?
Christians....I'm SICK of them, page 5
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 08:12 AM by g146541
reply to post by Viking9019
Agreed, any organized religion was made to make someone money, and keep them above the peasants.
Good point.
Agreed, any organized religion was made to make someone money, and keep them above the peasants.
Good point.
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 08:40 AM by theRhenn
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by Praetorius
Srsly dude, male or female.
If anybody told me to my face that my dogs weren't welcome in heaven, I'd kick em in the ding ding.
Really my doggies past present and future all have been outstandingly superior to many humans I've known.
I think the church should have thought that one out a bit more.
But all is well, the pope every now and then comes up with something new that god has told him and they add it to the story.
The old testament mentions something about people NOT supposed to be getting close to animals. So I would say, no, no animals make it to heaven.
I wish I knew exactly what scripture it was. (no, nothing to do with beastiallity...) where it was wrong to treat an animal as human. I'll have to dig into this one. I know it's old Testament, first books.
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 08:48 AM by wildtimes
reply to post by theRhenn
And I would say, "bollocks."
If what you claim is so, then it is another of many examples of the utter barbarity of the tome. Talk about "wrong." People need to realize we are CONNECTED to animals, we NEED them, and they don't need us. Ridiculous and wrong-headed, in my opinion. And very, very sad. I don't trust anyone who has no affinity for animals, especially the ones that agree to live with us and accept us as their friends and caregivers. Therefore, I can not trust the Old Testament authors, either, as telling the Truth. How warped.
You might look into the story of Rainbow Bridge.
The old testament mentions something about people NOT supposed to be getting close to animals. So I would say, no, no animals make it to heaven.
I wish I knew exactly what scripture it was. (no, nothing to do with beastiallity...) where it was wrong to treat an animal as human. I'll have to dig into this one. I know it's old Testament, first books.
And I would say, "bollocks."
If what you claim is so, then it is another of many examples of the utter barbarity of the tome. Talk about "wrong." People need to realize we are CONNECTED to animals, we NEED them, and they don't need us. Ridiculous and wrong-headed, in my opinion. And very, very sad. I don't trust anyone who has no affinity for animals, especially the ones that agree to live with us and accept us as their friends and caregivers. Therefore, I can not trust the Old Testament authors, either, as telling the Truth. How warped.
You might look into the story of Rainbow Bridge.
edit on 7-1-2012 by wildtimes because: disgusted and intend to say so.
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 08:49 AM by emptyOmind
Originally posted by theRhenn
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by Praetorius
Srsly dude, male or female.
If anybody told me to my face that my dogs weren't welcome in heaven, I'd kick em in the ding ding.
Really my doggies past present and future all have been outstandingly superior to many humans I've known.
I think the church should have thought that one out a bit more.
But all is well, the pope every now and then comes up with something new that god has told him and they add it to the story.
The old testament mentions something about people NOT supposed to be getting close to animals. So I would say, no, no animals make it to heaven.
I wish I knew exactly what scripture it was. (no, nothing to do with beastiallity...) where it was wrong to treat an animal as human. I'll have to dig into this one. I know it's old Testament, first books.
That would make it a Jewish belief and not a Christian belief cuz Jews believe in the Torah or the Pentateuch, which are the first five books of the Old Testament, while Christians have the New Testament which in a sense 'trumps' the Old Testament
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 08:57 AM by g146541
reply to post by theRhenn
I owe you a kick in the ding ding.
Do you believe this?
Would you treat a dog or cat the same as a bug, say a fly?
I know my dogs feel and have feelings, I see it every morning when Mommy gets up to leave us for work.
Our male dog gets stubborn and will turn his back to her as if he was butthurt. it is cute to watch.
Well, I guess I'm about as close as a person can be to their dogs (within moral bounds that is) so I guess I can't go to the christian heaven.
I'm cool with that.
I owe you a kick in the ding ding.
Do you believe this?
Would you treat a dog or cat the same as a bug, say a fly?
I know my dogs feel and have feelings, I see it every morning when Mommy gets up to leave us for work.
Our male dog gets stubborn and will turn his back to her as if he was butthurt.
it is cute to watch. Well, I guess I'm about as close as a person can be to their dogs (within moral bounds that is) so I guess I can't go to the christian heaven.
I'm cool with that.
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 09:32 AM by ofhumandescent
I am just tired of fanatically religious people in general.
How many people have been murdered in the many names of "God"?
Seems Christians in my area just have to keep trying to shove "salvation" down your throat all the while to be polite one must keep their mouth shut and remain silent for fear of really setting them off.
If you tell them, you are not Christian, they either make a point of trying to "save you" or treat you like a leper.
My self, I am more prone to believe that we are like drops of water and "God" is the "Source".
And that is not a new age theory - it's Eastern, along the lines of Buddhist.
Feel frustrated, I found this and to me anyway it is beautiful and calming...............it is called "The Great Bell Chant".
I'm not trying to shove my beliefs down anyone's throat.
But in my humble opinion, many of our planet's current problems are due to the fact that we do not realize we are all a part of a grand whole and intimately connected to one another and to the universe we inhabit.
When you hurt another you are truly also hurting yourself..............again just my own opinion.
The link for The Great Bell Chant is here: vimeo.com...
“In the history of mankind, fanaticism has caused more harm than vice” - Louis Kronenberger
Albert Einstein had a interesting view of God see below:
A interesting program is "Ancient Aliens" on now you can find them on You Tube and all over. There are a couple on religion that make a lot of sense like Noah's ark was probably a collection of DNA vs. the actual animals.
And yes, in my own heart anyway, all dogs, cats, bunnies, squirrels, all our animal friends have a "soul" a life force and are just as important to the "Source" - the "Creator" as we humans are.
A good book that describes how humanity got the arrogant idea that we have the "God given right" to mistreat, abuse and slaughter animals is in a book by Matthew Scully called "Dominion".
Very good book, highly recommended.
How many people have been murdered in the many names of "God"?
Seems Christians in my area just have to keep trying to shove "salvation" down your throat all the while to be polite one must keep their mouth shut and remain silent for fear of really setting them off.
If you tell them, you are not Christian, they either make a point of trying to "save you" or treat you like a leper.
My self, I am more prone to believe that we are like drops of water and "God" is the "Source".
And that is not a new age theory - it's Eastern, along the lines of Buddhist.
Feel frustrated, I found this and to me anyway it is beautiful and calming...............it is called "The Great Bell Chant".
I'm not trying to shove my beliefs down anyone's throat.
But in my humble opinion, many of our planet's current problems are due to the fact that we do not realize we are all a part of a grand whole and intimately connected to one another and to the universe we inhabit.
When you hurt another you are truly also hurting yourself..............again just my own opinion.
The link for The Great Bell Chant is here: vimeo.com...
“In the history of mankind, fanaticism has caused more harm than vice” - Louis Kronenberger
Albert Einstein had a interesting view of God see below:
Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.
The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.
As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.
"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.
Source and rest of article: www.huffingtonpost.com...
A interesting program is "Ancient Aliens" on now you can find them on You Tube and all over. There are a couple on religion that make a lot of sense like Noah's ark was probably a collection of DNA vs. the actual animals.
And yes, in my own heart anyway, all dogs, cats, bunnies, squirrels, all our animal friends have a "soul" a life force and are just as important to the "Source" - the "Creator" as we humans are.
A good book that describes how humanity got the arrogant idea that we have the "God given right" to mistreat, abuse and slaughter animals is in a book by Matthew Scully called "Dominion".
Very good book, highly recommended.
edit on 7-1-2012 by ofhumandescent because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 09:36 AM by MamaJ
reply to post by vogon42
Trying to make sense of any Religion, Myth, or Belief takes more than just "two weeks", it takes a life time of study to really form an opinion and even then you may not have one....but only faith...or none at all.
Getting angry with some people that didn't tell you what you want to hear or didn't meet your expectations is not useful as this is your journey and maybe you are frustrated by asking questions to the wrong people which leads you to seek answers for yourself...which is a most divine plan because it is the way...your way..not someone elses way. ;-)
I am almost 40....been on this belief journey all my life and I will continue to be as my belief is not set in stone, its based off what I think I know and my perception of what I think I know. That in itself can change. My belief is not a destination or a label...its just a life time journey.
Try it..you may like it...ya never know.
Jenn
From another post, after spending about two weeks trying to make sense of the christian religion. Asking the following questions that perplexed me as a child.
Trying to make sense of any Religion, Myth, or Belief takes more than just "two weeks", it takes a life time of study to really form an opinion and even then you may not have one....but only faith...or none at all.
Getting angry with some people that didn't tell you what you want to hear or didn't meet your expectations is not useful as this is your journey and maybe you are frustrated by asking questions to the wrong people which leads you to seek answers for yourself...which is a most divine plan because it is the way...your way..not someone elses way. ;-)
I am almost 40....been on this belief journey all my life and I will continue to be as my belief is not set in stone, its based off what I think I know and my perception of what I think I know. That in itself can change. My belief is not a destination or a label...its just a life time journey.
Try it..you may like it...ya never know.
Jenn
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 09:36 AM by g146541
reply to post by Mister_Bit
You kidding?
Snakeskin boots, Mink coats, there's a lot of merchandise there to go into shops.
Now just who were the shop keepers???
It is just another too big to be true story made up thousands of years ago by cavemen who could not begin to imagine the things the average person would know of on a daily basis.
The ark, could a wooden boat that size actually sail? yet alone hold all of the provisions?
Just a bunch of hooey.
You kidding?
Snakeskin boots, Mink coats, there's a lot of merchandise there to go into shops.
Now just who were the shop keepers???
It is just another too big to be true story made up thousands of years ago by cavemen who could not begin to imagine the things the average person would know of on a daily basis.
The ark, could a wooden boat that size actually sail? yet alone hold all of the provisions?
Just a bunch of hooey.
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 09:37 AM by borntowatch
Originally posted by StealthyKat
reply to post by gabby2011
Gabby, I know you are a Christian and have a deep faith....so I want to ask this of you (repectfully). If God is so merciful, why is it that when I was a child and being hurt, he never helped me? I would lie in bed crying and praying at age 5 BEGGING for him to help me.....nothing. In fact, it got worse. I wonder how a God of love could turn a blind eye to an innocent child? I'm asking because I can think of no explanation for this. The song says he loves all the little children. This seems contradictory to me. My whole life, I wanted to have faith.....but what I was taught, and the reality of what happened to me just doesn't mesh. Explanation from your point of view?
If I may, its a tricky question.
Pain and suffering are the by product of sin, Jesus taught forgiveness because this world and life sux. Its a horrible place. Bad things will happen and Jesus teaches we have to forgive
If somebody gets drunk and kills a child with a car, God gets the blame, a building gets hit by a plane, God gets blamed. God has to allow sin, choice.
God doesnt turn a blind eye, God is waiting for the time when he can administer judgement. If God steps in and stops everybody from sinning, why not just create us as robots?
God has to allow people to do what they want to do, thats the nature of His love
You live for this world, Christianity teaches we are to live for Jesus with our eye on eternity with Jesus. This life is short and as hard as it is to believe, its inconsequential. Heaven and eternity matter.
Remember God turned his back on Jesus when he could have destroyed His every enemy, not because He wanted to but because He allows choice.
Its not an easy answer to comprehend when this life is everything, but this life isnt everything.
God is merciful at judgement, humanity in and on this earth are not merciful.
This isnt Gods earth.
Hard to imagine that helps, but biblicaly its Christianity in a nutshell. Live for Jesus, forgive and focus on the prize
Revelation 6:11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
Heaven is the redemption where the old and evil sad things pass away, even for Christians who suffer.
Gods own children
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 09:38 AM by MamaJ
Originally posted by StealthyKat
reply to post by gabby2011
Gabby, I know you are a Christian and have a deep faith....so I want to ask this of you (repectfully). If God is so merciful, why is it that when I was a child and being hurt, he never helped me? I would lie in bed crying and praying at age 5 BEGGING for him to help me.....nothing. In fact, it got worse. I wonder how a God of love could turn a blind eye to an innocent child? I'm asking because I can think of no explanation for this. The song says he loves all the little children. This seems contradictory to me. My whole life, I wanted to have faith.....but what I was taught, and the reality of what happened to me just doesn't mesh. Explanation from your point of view?
I have my own answer for this one, if you would like to hear it.
My answer is what I "think"...and may not be the truth and nothing but the truth but if you knew me, my life journey, and the "coincidences" you may think I am spot on... who knows.
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 09:40 AM by LongbottomLeaf
reply to post by vogon42
It's not that they don't want to teach, most Christians are tired of it. They are tired of trying, no matter what answer a Christian gives to an non Christians question it's never good enough and it's always a 3 page argument. Simple solution READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!!! If you agree and believe it fine if you don't thats fine too. Don't take it out on others because you can't understand a simple concept and at the same time refuse to open a bible and learn it yourself.
It's not that they don't want to teach, most Christians are tired of it. They are tired of trying, no matter what answer a Christian gives to an non Christians question it's never good enough and it's always a 3 page argument. Simple solution READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!!! If you agree and believe it fine if you don't thats fine too. Don't take it out on others because you can't understand a simple concept and at the same time refuse to open a bible and learn it yourself.
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 09:42 AM by g146541
reply to post by MamaJ
You say,
Not really, in just a few seconds I can read any car salesman.
You tell me that a fairytale is just a story and not real, then you tell me the same exact thing is real and not a story, I go Hmmm.
Religions are simply a lie.
I am not saying that there is no Goddess, all I am saying is no living human is closer to her than another and nonee of us have any inside information.
Therefore all else must be a lie.
Of course others call the same faith.
You say,
Trying to make sense of any Religion, Myth, or Belief takes more than just "two weeks", it takes a life time of study to really form an opinion and even then you may not have one.
Not really, in just a few seconds I can read any car salesman.
You tell me that a fairytale is just a story and not real, then you tell me the same exact thing is real and not a story, I go Hmmm.
Religions are simply a lie.
I am not saying that there is no Goddess, all I am saying is no living human is closer to her than another and nonee of us have any inside information.
Therefore all else must be a lie.
Of course others call the same faith.
reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 09:57 AM by MamaJ
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by MamaJ
You say,
Trying to make sense of any Religion, Myth, or Belief takes more than just "two weeks", it takes a life time of study to really form an opinion and even then you may not have one.
Not really, in just a few seconds I can read any car salesman.
You tell me that a fairytale is just a story and not real, then you tell me the same exact thing is real and not a story, I go Hmmm.
Religions are simply a lie.
I am not saying that there is no Goddess, all I am saying is no living human is closer to her than another and nonee of us have any inside information.
Therefore all else must be a lie.
Of course others call the same faith.
Are you asking me a question or telling me?
I mean.... would you like to discuss ideas or are you wanting to simply tell me your thoughts and
have a one sided conversation? The thing is ....every single person has their own ideas and beliefs or non beliefs based upon either blind faith or perception of their studies regarding the subject which they choose with their own free will.
You may can read a car salesman.. thats easy. Trying to make sense of religions and the many beliefs takes a lifetime as their are many texts to choose from and they are only expanding with time.
To say that someones writing and or experience is a lie is pretty bold imo. It is what it is and none of us have the "answer" to anything. We could argue all day long about a lot of subjects because the truth is based on other "truths" that may indeed be a lie. Like...for example... I think we live in a Binary Solar System.... many however do not because they are basing their truth on a theory that may or may not be the Truth.
At the end of the day...your time has either been spent searching for the truth or not. To each his own and whatever makes you happy. You either have faith in a Higher power/creator or you don't. Seeking answers by studying and reading is better than asking someone and taking their word for it or getting mad because what they said did not meet your expectation of an answer.
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