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reply to post by autowrench
Yes, I have. Also, books about the Holocaust, and the aftermath of the War. I know that the Rothschild Banking Empire created the State of Israel,
So she asked the Lord, and the Lord said to her,
“Two nations are in your womb,
and two peoples will be separated from within you.
One people will be stronger than the other,
and the older will serve the younger.”
GENESIS 26:2 The Lord appeared to Isaac and said, “Do not go down to Egypt; settle down in the land that I will point out to you. Stay in this land. Then I will be with you and will bless you, for I will give all these lands to you and to your descendants, and I will fulfill the solemn promise I made to your father Abraham.
GENESIS 28:3 May the sovereign God bless you! May he make you fruitful and give you a multitude of descendants! Then you will become a large nation. May he give you and your descendants the blessing he gave to Abraham so that you may possess the land God gave to Abraham, the land where you have been living as a temporary resident.
Lev 26:12 I will walk among you, and I will be your God and you will be my people.
Eze 11:20 so that they may follow my statutes and observe my regulations and carry them out. Then they will be my people, and I will be their God.
Jer 32:38 They will be my people, and I will be their God.
EXODUS 19:3 Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, “Thus you will tell the house of Jacob, and declare to the people of Israel: ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt and how I lifted you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. And now, if you will diligently listen to me and keep my covenant, then you will be my special possession out of all the nations, for all the earth is mine, and you will be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you will speak to the Israelites.”
Firstly - YES. I do elevate my "GODMAN" up there pretty high - as KJV© 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
My, my! You certainly do elevate your Godman up there pretty high, don't you? Jesus now wrote the entire Bible? Did he and King James, and Sir Bacon all have a sit down, and a discussion on what was in, and what was out? And I believe, in the KJV the first words are, "In the Beginning...."
Where did you get this vast knowledge from? Cause it sure is not in the Bible!
How many prophecies did Jesus fulfill?
I suppose that, "All of them," isn't quite the answer you are looking for. In reality, Jesus did fulfill all of the prophecies pertaining to the coming Messiah. I will get into some examples in a moment. But, first of all, what is a prophecy? It is God speaking through a servant-a prophet-to describe a coming event long before it happens. There are over 400 prophecies in the Old Testament which point to the coming Messiah and to His life and death. Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled every single one of them. The odds of someone doing that who was not the Messiah are too great to even figure. It is impossible.
DEUTERONOMY 18:20 “But if any prophet presumes to speak anything in my name that I have not authorized him to speak, or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. Now if you say to yourselves, ‘How can we tell that a message is not from the Lord?’ whenever a prophet speaks in my name and the prediction is not fulfilled, then I have not spoken it; the prophet has presumed to speak it, so you need not fear him.”
You are correct. But you have (conveniently neglected the rest of the sentence).
And I believe, in the KJV the first words are, "In the Beginning...."
reply to post by autowrench
And there it is. Let us look into this. The highest heavenly creatures are called Seraphim.
You are incorrect in your statement, for GOD clearly and emphatically commands that no one is to make ANY graven image at all - and to NOT worship any other god.
The only graven image/idol Yahweh ever permits is that of a "fiery flying serpent", obviously his own personal image.
Jer 1:16 In this way I will pass sentence on the people of Jerusalem and Judah because of all their wickedness. For they rejected me and offered sacrifices to other gods, worshiping what they made with their own hands.”
Exo 34:14 For you must not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
2Ki 17:38 You must never forget the agreement I made with you, and you must not worship other gods.
I know the Divine Mother quite well, friend, I would bet a lot better than thou. I really don't believe anyone could "send" Her anywhere, She goes where she pleases.
That seems to me a little contradictory in itself. You deny the GOD of the Bible and berate people who believe in HIM - yet for you to have your own gods/goddesses is perfectly acceptable, and justified. Can you see that you and Christians are all on the same level.
I have ran across a great deal of evidence that the entire story was made up, copied and changed from earlier texts and stories......
You have already set someone named "Jesus," to "judge" you upon your physical death, I assume. Is that correct so far? Have you researched to your satisfaction that this Jesus man existed, or are you simply takings another's word for it? Are you certain, beyond any doubt whatsoever, that your book is totally correct, no errors or translation mistakes, no agenda of the group doing the writing?
If your answer to all of this is yes, then by all means believe what you want.
reply to post by IAMIAM
I never said I was Christ.
Repeat after me...
I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father but by me.
If you cannot say it, then you are not the truth, you are not the way, nor are you the life.
So by what right can you come forward to judge me if I say I am?
Originally posted by Shadowalker
Atheists need to learn their place.
Originally posted by Thurisaz
reply to post by vogon42
you can have sick leave but for bahooney's sake, get immunised and be tolerant. Everyone has been there done that, yanno?
I could go on like this for a long time, but to get to my point. This is why I don't believe the bible is going to help me at least ATTEMPT to get a partial understanding of the view points behind all the different perspectives.
Originally posted by vogon42
reply to post by sacgamer25
I'm going to guess this response was humor, or sarcasm......
Am I right?
The Christian Bible teaches that GOD created all people. Out of HIS created people HE created the NATION of Israel.
The Bible was written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
ALL PROPHECY ABOUT JESUS' COMING IS 100% FULFILLED.
Your understanding of Leviathan in the Christian Bible is also incorrect.
I have a few prophecies that have not come true, one, Solomon's Temple has not been rebuilt, and Jesus never came back. Here are a few others:
Mark 11:34 "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."
Mat 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Jesus is not all knowing:
Mark 24:3632 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
So, if Jesus is "The Son of Man," then he could not be, "The Son of God."
When we read the Bible, we find that Jesus was sent to preach to a specific nation only, not mankind. One would expect to find Jesus being sent to all of mankind if he was God, rather what we find is that Jesus just like all the other prophets, was sent to a specific nation only:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
The Bible also claims that Jesus cannot save anyone.
The bible has different meanings for generations one is 70 years the other appears to be the length of time that makes up a covenant promise between God and man.
Jesus is both the son of man and the son of God. This is possible because his father was God and mother was human.
You are correct he was sent to come and rebuke those who called themselves Israel but did not follow the laws of their forefathers, but instead followed the laws of men. He sent the apostles to everyone else.
Originally posted by vogon42
reply to post by gabby2011
Wow, you just don't get it do you.
Try to read my post again, concentrate on the point of the post.
When you are done, see if you can understand that I am trying to
"get a partial understanding of the view points behind all the different perspectives."
That has nothing to do with god, and everything to do with asking his followers.
example - do YOU believe everything it the bible is complete and literal truth, or are there parts of it you interpret rather than take literally?edit on 11-1-2012 by vogon42 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by gabby2011
Honestly vogon I struggle with quite a few things that are written in the bible.. and the odd time it seems like it even contradicts itself.
I try to take the things I do understand.. or at least believe.. because mysteries can be difficult to understand... and work with those.
I do believe that God helps us understand.. at least the important stuff.. if we ask Him for help..and do it in the spirit of wanting to improve our lives...and to increase our love for Him as well as our fellow man.
I'm not sure what you mean by that statement.. perhaps you could it make it more clear?