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reply to post by Akragon
Fail link!
try this...
reluctant-messenger.com...
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by petrus4
I may not quite understand, are you telling me that if I am a happy and good person, I will be welcome into heaven by the christian standard?
This seems to go against every "holy" book in almost every faith.
Some simple questions for you. Do you believe that you should live a loving, generous life? The kind of life where you try to make others feel more important than you? Do you also believe that to love the world is the best way to think? Even if it means you should love and reconcile with your enemies? If you answered yes to all these questions then you “believeth in him", for these are his words.
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by petrus4
I may not quite understand, are you telling me that if I am a happy and good person, I will be welcome into heaven by the christian standard?
This seems to go against every "holy" book in almost every faith.
The general thought in these books is, "if you're not with us you're against us."
Accept our version or die eternally.
But if I can just be a happy and good person and that will do, why try to convert?
I am just pointing out to all who read this thread that the link you provided goes against the teachings contained in the Christian Bible.
I am not categorizing you in anyway. Just sticking to the facts friend. No good having a discussion based on misinformation and heresies.
I thought it particularly relevent to make known the apostacy, considering this thread is originally attacking the Christian existence.
I find it ironic that the majority of people that ridicule/abuse/attack the Christian faith don't actually know anything about it at all. Virtually none of those know what the scriptures say about the character of the GOD of the Christian bible. Yet all are willing to condemn. (that's what I have learned from many threads on ATS anyways.)
Akragon, you have indicated that you have done much study. May I suggest to you some excellent material (although somewhat lengthy) found at the link below. It is from Christian perspective, but the research is very thorough and indepth and explains in volume exactly what is propagated as truth amongst the worldly views today and the reasoning behind such deceptions. It is all supported by documented fact and historical evidence.
I am certain that you will find it astonishing and well worth your time. And it will melt your mind !!!!!
Amazing Discoveries - Total Onslaught
Be Blessed and may Peace,Joy and Hope fill your heart always.
Originally posted by StealthyKat
I grew up with a father who was a "born again Christian" who took me to church 3X a week and was one of the heads of the church, who beat me black and blue and abused me in every way possible.
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
Matthew 12:37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Romans 14:10-12 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Mathew 7:1“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.
Matthew 5:43-44 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven
Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
Proverbs 20:22 Do not say, “I will repay evil”; wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you.
1 John 4:4-6 4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
1 John 4:16-18 God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 Corinthians 3:21-23 21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.
Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
Romans 8:38-39 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I read the page that opened when clicking on the link that you provided. I read all 10 pages on that website. Whilst eventually they do declare that the orthodox church dismissed the theology of Origen, the final page then openly supports his belief system. I clicked on the books that are advertised amongst the webpage that you provided. It promotes the false doctrine of re-incarnation.
And i am just pointing out to "all that read this thead" that you haven't even looked at the site... or read the material...
The heading and original grievance by the OP is directly aimed at the Christian faith. No other religion is mentioned by the OP. I am merely stating that the majority of people who criticise the Christian faith and the GOD of the Christian Bible do so under a cloud of ignorance.
Actually... its based on many religions, including yours...
You are correct........ I haven't been here long - but it doesn't take long to come under biased, prejudice antagonism once you confess your Christian faith. That I have discovered already (in my short time here)
Clearly you haven't been here long... Nor did you read anything on that site...
Ahhh........ That would be like doing a book review by watching the DVD.
No thank you...
How about you explain some things to me instead....
What have you learned from your videos?
I am not sure what you meant here. I really don't. Just for the record - I am free to read other texts as well. I have complete freedom in Jesus Christ. Some examples............. I have looked at the vampires bible, the vampires spell book, the abremelin, the book of wamphyri and shadows, the greater (and lesser) key of solomon, jack parsons writings, the necronomicon, the necronomicon spell book, the satanic bible, the book of giants, the book of enoch, the apocrypha, the book of jubilees, the book of jasher - just to name a few. I wander through texts "outside of the Bible and my religion." With all due respect - I don't find the relevance of your statement ?
Ah but there is one problem...
I am not christian...
So i am free to wander scripture outside of the bible and your religion at my own discretion...
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
I would like everybody who is discontented with Christians to please JUDGE CHRISTIANITY BY JESUS CHRIT ALONE.
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
I would like everybody who is discontented with Christians to please JUDGE CHRISTIANITY BY JESUS CHRIT ALONE.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
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That's a nice escape clause my friend, but it won't happen here.
I will judge christianity by the actions of christians.
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Originally posted by vogon42
so ........ah.....what ever...(blinded by the light, perhaps)
Originally posted by vogon42
I understand there are people like you out there..., but why are so many christians so hateful?
I am not using it as an escape clause. It is the only true way to understand what Christianity really is. True Christianity is only found in Jesus Christ, as He is the only perfect human to ever exist.
That's a nice escape clause my friend, but it won't happen here.
Then you are basing your judgements on shaky ground from the onset. Christians are human. Fallen, corrupted, full of sin. The Christian Bible says that we ALL fall short of the Glory of GOD. Jesus Christ is the only true measure in which to measure ones self against. The Christian Bible says that only on Jesus Christ's return will His faithful children be made perfect (thanks to His work on the cross - NOT by anything that we have done or achieved) until then we remain sinful and broken. Jesus does not say "If any one should come after me, then he must deny himself, take up his cross and follow Joe Shmoe." He says to "follow Him !" Follow Jesus and Jesus alone. He is the standard by which we ALL must attempt to emulate.
I will judge christianity by the actions of christians.
If that was the case then NO BODY AT ALL could ever claim to be Christian. Those words from Jesus are an ideal - a goal - a focal point - a mission statement. They are what a Christian should strive towards - yet understanding that they will fail more often than not. But thanks to the Grace, Love and Mercy of Jesus - if we continue in faith - then we are forgiven and redeemed.
Do as he commanded or stop claiming him as your lord.
We are all liars. We are all sinners. The Christian bible teaches that anyone who claims different .......
That only makes you a liar.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
We are all liars. We are all sinners. The Christian bible teaches that anyone who claims different .......
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
I am not using it as an escape clause. It is the only true way to understand what Christianity really is. True Christianity is only found in Jesus Christ, as He is the only perfect human to ever exist.
That's a nice escape clause my friend, but it won't happen here.
Then you are basing your judgements on shaky ground from the onset. Christians are human. Fallen, corrupted, full of sin.
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
The Christian Bible says that we ALL fall short of the Glory of GOD.
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
Jesus Christ is the only true measure in which to measure ones self against.
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
The Christian Bible says that only on Jesus Christ's return will His faithful children be made perfect (thanks to His work on the cross - NOT by anything that we have done or achieved) until then we remain sinful and broken.
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
Jesus does not say "If any one should come after me, then he must deny himself, take up his cross and follow Joe Shmoe." He says to "follow Him !" Follow Jesus and Jesus alone. He is the standard by which we ALL must attempt to emulate.
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
I am not using this as an excuse or a get out of jail free card. I simply pointing out that if you have been upset, or disappointed, or grieved by the actions of a Christian brother or sister (which will happen at some time or another) then don't hold that against Jesus and reject Him in spite. Your destiny is too important for that.
Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
If that was the case then NO BODY AT ALL could ever claim to be Christian. Those words from Jesus are an ideal - a goal - a focal point - a mission statement. They are what a Christian should strive towards - yet understanding that they will fail more often than not. But thanks to the Grace, Love and Mercy of Jesus - if we continue in faith - then we are forgiven and redeemed.