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"The president shall have power," Article II, section 2 states, "to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session."
The Senate has not been in recess. And Congress' authority over when it is and isn't in recess is no small matter of parliamentary procedure. Rather, it is a power the Framers explicitly bestowed in Article I, Section 5:
"Neither House, during the session of Congress, shall, without the consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days."
Yet Obama on Wednesday, with no recess in effect and against the publicly stated position of his own Justice Department, made four "recess appointments."
www.washingtonpost.com...
In a 1905 report that the Senate still considers authoritative, the Senate Judiciary Committee recognized that a "Recess of the Senate" occurs whenever the Senate is not sitting for the discharge of its functions and when it cannot "participate as a body in making appointments." The committee cautioned that a "recess" means "something actual, not something fictitious." The executive branch has long taken the same common-sense view. In 1921, citing opinions of his predecessors dating back to the Monroe administration, Attorney General Harry M. Daugherty argued that the question "is whether in a practical sense the Senate is in session so that its advice and consent can be obtained. To give the word 'recess' a technical and not a practical construction, is to disregard substance for form." The Senate, of course, does not meet as a body during a pro forma session. By the terms of the recess order, no business can be conducted, and the Senate is not capable of acting on the president's nominations. That means the Senate remains in "recess" for purposes of the recess appointment power, despite the empty formalities of the individual senators who wield the gavel in pro forma sessions.
But there is precedent for appointments made during recesses of fewer than three days — President Theodore Roosevelt made more than 160 recess appointments during a Senate break of less than a day in 1903.
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments.
President Bill Clinton made 139 recess appointments.
President Barack Obama had made 28 recess appointments (so far).
Every president since George Washington has made recess appointments.
Obama's recess appointments is below average compared to his predecessors.
It's hilarious watching the right-wing scream "impeachment" over this when Obama has made fewer recess appointments than Bush Jr.
I explained in my above post, that Congress, was in fact, in recess.
Originally posted by SourGrapes
reply to post by Blackmarketeer
Those were Recess Appointments made DURING a recess.
Difference:
Congress was NOT on recess now. The key term here: RECESS.
So, your argument, or "well, booosh did it toooooo" isn't valid for this discussion and only confuses the situation for talking points.
edit on 6-1-2012 by SourGrapes because: (no reason given)
No. Congress was in a pro forma session and there were not enough members there for a Quorum.
The President was completely within his Constitutional rights to make recess appointments.
Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by Quadrivium
No, they don't.
But there is precedent for appointments made during recesses of fewer than three days — President Theodore Roosevelt made more than 160 recess appointments during a Senate break of less than a day in 1903.
www.latimes.com...
While the Constitution gives the president the authority to fill executive branch vacancies when the Senate is in recess, a Justice Department opinion in 1993 implied that a recess of more than three days was needed before the president could exercise the power, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service. No such appointments have been made during recesses of fewer than 10 days over the last 20 years, the service said in a December report.
A Congressional Recess has been defined by the Supreme Court as any period where Congress cannot perform their duties. Such as during a pro forma session.
Originally posted by SourGrapes
reply to post by SG-17
Is congress OFFICIALLY at recess or is the argument 'well, it SHOULD be a recess because many are gone'? If it's the latter, then we could argue that an 11pm recess appointment is valid because "well, most of congress isn't there"
Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by Quadrivium
No. Congress was in a pro forma session and there were not enough members there for a Quorum.
The President was completely within his Constitutional rights to make recess appointments.
Originally posted by Quadrivium
reply to post by links234
Oh, I believe you Links, it is politics.
Your video shows that some in congress was trying to block Obama's appointments.
In session? no
In recess? no
And that is where this gets sticky, If they were not officially in recess how can he make the appointments?edit on 6-1-2012 by Quadrivium because: added "some in"