I'm a Jew and I'm against Israel. Does that make me an anti-semite?, page 9
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reply posted on 13-1-2012 @ 01:01 PM by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by Skyfloating




As mentioned previously, arabs have the same rights as Israelis in Israel. They date. They share restaurants. They share parts of town. They play in the same soccer clubs. They live side by side in peace. Two VERY different cultures living in peace, tolerance and harmony. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Or where you not aware of it because it is omitted in the particular ideological papers and sites you read?


Welcome back Skyfloating, I was afraid you had left the thread.

Once again you are attempting to portray Israel as something completely different than it really is.

You speak about "different cultures living in peace, tolerance and harmony". I'm so sorry but I feel obligated to point out a few things. Perhaps once you put all this information together it won't be so easy to say these things.

Not only do they discriminate against Muslim/Arabs but they also discriminate among what they consider to be "lesser" Jews.

Ethiopian students affair shows prevalent racism in Israel

Christians aren't safe either:

Settlers attack carol singers near Nablus

Now back to the Arabs:

Olmert: Discrimination against Arabs deliberate

Israel's top court backs bar on Palestinian spouses

Earlier in this thread you called me an Anti Semite when all I did was raise some valid concerns pertaining to statements that you made. I would appreciate it if you responded with something a bit more constructive this time around as we're all supposed to be adults here.

I also must point out that racism and bigotry happens everywhere, including where I live. The thing is, I don't try to portray it to be something completely different. It saddens me that someone such as yourself who seems intelligent would try to paint Israel out to be a pretty picture in the way that you have.

You even implied that the Palestinians should be thankful for the plumbing the Israelis gave them after they stole their land and displaced over 750,000 Palestinians.

I also would appreciate an explanation of your claims you made in the first few pages of this thread.


reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 11:51 AM by dontreally
Do you realize that you contradicted yourself? First you said 'nowhere does it say that children whose mothers aren't Jewish but whose fathers are Jewish aren't Jews", then followed that up with "But Jewish lineage is passed on by the mother"...

There is a very practical reason why the mother passes on the Jewish lineage and not the father, but don't confuse that practical explanation for the root archetypal concept which underlies it.

Generally, in ancient times, a man knew who his mother was, but not his father, as a man often took multiple wives. Therefore, Jewish nationality was considered more likely to be determined by the woman and not the man. However, the underlying concept behind this practice is NOT practicality. Practicality merely substantiates the practice for those people who wouldn't understand the metaphysical reason.

The soul is considered feminine because it derives from the creator, who is masculine. All effects, all secondary aspects in a process, are regarded as feminine.Therefore, the soul is feminine, and it is the woman who imparts the 'soul' of the Jewish people to the child she bears.

Conversely, the man determines tribe. If the father is of the tribe of Judah, his child is a Yehudi. If he is a Levite, the child too will be a Levite. This is because a tribe is more a SOCIAL function than a spiritual inheritance.

So, to be exact, you are not a Jew because your father is a Jew. Sure, you can go ahead and reject this millenia long tradition because it doesn't jibe with your secular ideas of ethnicity and culture. At a purely secular level, you could say you're "half Jewish", I suppose, but as a matter of religious and spiritual fact, you're not Jewish. If you want to be so, you would need to convert.
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