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I'm a Jew and I'm against Israel. Does that make me an anti-semite?

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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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No it doesnt make you an anti-semite. But if you study this Forum very carefully, for many years, you will begin to see patterns. Such as 70% of all anti-Israel posters also being anti-semites (anti-Jews is the better term) or coming out of the closet as anti-semites after awhile.


May I please ask where you found these statistics?

And do you recognize the difference between Zionism and Judaism?

The OP does and he's a Jew.

So I guess it's okay for Jews to be against Zionism but no one else is allowed?

I'm a Canadian against Zionism, does that make me an anti-Semite?

("Jew hater" as you put it)
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Anti-Zionist is a cover-word or a new-version of anti-semitism. It holds that "zionists" (Jews living in Israel) are involved in a conspiracy. Hang around long enough and you`ll notice plenty of these "anti-zionists" also go into Holocaust-Denial and other such stuff. Something like Ahmedinjad who first claimed he was only anti-zionist and then went on to hold conventions in which they claimed Hitler was a Jew and every evil in the world was made by Jews.

Anyone who actually visits Israel sees that all these "Zionists" are actually really nice people with families, children, hopes and worries.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Err, you had me there until the part where you said that they treat men and women and all other people equally. They certainly don't treat the Palestinians equally like the rest of the Israeli citizens while denying them citizenship rights. I say we should support the causes of other potential Democracies in the ME and not mindlessly support this nation that claims to be the only Democratic nation in the ME when their own government wants the Jewish religion to be the official one. But yes, I am not anti-Jewish or anything of the like, as you've said, there are many of those here.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Anti-Zionist is a cover-word or a new-version of anti-semitism.


Most people would disagree, including myself. Anti-Zionist doesn't necessarily mean Jew, there are Christian Zionists too you know. I'm officially Christian if you want to call it that, so since I'm anti Zionist do I also hate all Christians?

I do admit there are racist people of all denominations who hate others, but in today's world this is rare, even among the Muslim world where the Western world is brainwashed into believing all Muslims hate Jews. This is another myth that the Zionists cling on to, and of course there is the Anti-Semite accusation that comes along with any criticism of the Israeli government.

I commend the OP for their bravery and making this thread, for people to come here and call Anti-Zionism cover for Anti-Semitism is absurd and completely disrespectful to the point they're trying to make.

Please watch this video, it is an ex-Israeli Minister exposing a trick, the same trick you appear to be using. Please forgive me if my interpretation of your previous posts are incorrect, but I believe you're doing the exact same thing this lady talks about. Please watch.




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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 


Anti-Zionist is a cover-word or a new-version of anti-semitism. It holds that "zionists" (Jews living in Israel) are involved in a conspiracy. Hang around long enough and you`ll notice plenty of these "anti-zionists" also go into Holocaust-Denial and other such stuff. Something like Ahmedinjad who first claimed he was only anti-zionist and then went on to hold conventions in which they claimed Hitler was a Jew and every evil in the world was made by Jews.

Anyone who actually visits Israel sees that all these "Zionists" are actually really nice people with families, children, hopes and worries.


So you're comparing the idea's of Ahmedinjad to 70% of the anti-Zionists on ATS?

Not liking Zionism is as anti-Semitic as not liking religious fundies governing the US as anti-Christian.

The argument doesn't make sense.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
However, what other religion exists where to question any of their beliefs or actions could land you in Prison in most Western Countries? This is where the Zionists have played a clever hand.


Complete and utter nonsense.

Name me one single Western country where you could end up in prison for questioning the beliefs of Judaism.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Err, you had me there until the part where you said that they treat men and women and all other people equally. They certainly don't treat the Palestinians equally like the rest of the Israeli citizens while denying them citizenship rights.


If you had travelled to Israel you would know that arabs (including some Palestinians) and Jews live side by side and not on "the other side of the fence". There are arabs and jews playing in soccer teams together. There are arabs and jews who date. The ones that are on the other side of the fence are the ones opposed to an Israeli state. The wall was built for protection, not discrimination. This is PROVEN by the fact that arabs and jews live peacefully side by side...something anti-semites wont tell you. Where are the threads on this site featuring that? You cant find them. Why?



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Name me one single Western country where you could end up in prison for questioning the beliefs of Judaism.


Canada you can go to jail for making fun of anyone:


"Hate" is defined as a crime under two parts of Canada’s Criminal Code: sections 318 and 319. To convict anyone under the Code, very specific proof is required: both of the criminal act itself, and of the intention or motivation to commit the crime. It isn’t enough that someone has said something hateful or untrue; the courts will only find someone guilty if they contravened the Code exactly, and if they did it deliberately.

In most cases, hate propaganda communicated through the Internet is an offence under the Criminal Code. Amendments to the Code, made under the Anti-Terrorism Act in December 2001, further clarify measures and offences regarding Internet hate crimes.

www.media-awareness.ca...


I'm not going to get into the Zionist influence in Canada, but they had a hand in this amendment to our Criminal Code.

Our beloved Prime Minister is an Israeli stooge.





This is the third time today I post this video trying to prove a point.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Err, you had me there until the part where you said that they treat men and women and all other people equally. They certainly don't treat the Palestinians equally like the rest of the Israeli citizens while denying them citizenship rights.


If you had travelled to Israel you would know that arabs (including some Palestinians) and Jews live side by side and not on "the other side of the fence". There are arabs and jews playing in soccer teams together. There are arabs and jews who date. The ones that are on the other side of the fence are the ones opposed to an Israeli state. The wall was built for protection, not discrimination. This is PROVEN by the fact that arabs and jews live peacefully side by side...something anti-semites wont tell you. Where are the threads on this site featuring that? You cant find them. Why?


There is a lot of news from that part of the world that is never mentioned. Forget ATS, I'm talking about MSM. Why?

If there are stories that you think would neurtralize the debate, why haven't you posted them?
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed


Most people would disagree, including myself. Anti-Zionist doesn't necessarily mean Jew, there are Christian Zionists too you know. I'm officially Christian if you want to call it that, so since I'm anti Zionist do I also hate all Christians?


Zionists are originally and primarily Jews, despite a few fringe Christians joining in the mix.



the Western world is brainwashed into believing all Muslims hate Jews


No they're not. I dont believe so and ALL people I know personally dont believe so.



This is another myth that the Zionists cling on to, and of course there is the Anti-Semite accusation that comes along with any criticism of the Israeli government.


Criticism of the Israeli Government is all well and good. There is plenty of it around, without censorship. This site is brim full with it. Im very happy when I see criticism of the Israeli Government that does not have Iranian, Nazi or Jihadist sources as their origin. Then I can say "Ah, what a breathe of fresh air. Authentic criticism at last".




Please watch this video, it is an ex-Israeli Minister exposing a trick, the same trick you appear to be using.


Its not a trick. The folks who spend most of their time ranting against Israel conveniently never mention terror regimes such as Sudan, the atrocities in Tibet, or ANY other Government for that matter. Have you noticed?

Why? Is Israel the only country out there?



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by satron

There is a lot of news from that part of the world that is never mentioned. Forget ATS, I'm talking about MSM. Why?



The first thread about this that I posted, about my travels to Palestine and Israel got moved off the board to the "BTS Section". I guess it wasnt controversial enough.

Other similar posts evoked so much rage that I quit posting about it. This is my first mention of it in more than a year.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Canada you can go to jail for making fun of anyone


I doubt that the ''hate law'' in Canada covers the questioning of Judaism.


Even by your own facetious comment, you admit that everyone, regardless of their religion or irreligion, is covered equally by your laws.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Why? Is Israel the only country out there?


No, but they're the only state formed by stealing land from the original rightful owners because "God gave them that land". There were pieces of land in Russia and elsewhere all over the world that they could have taken, but it had to be Israel.

Why?

Do you know how many Palestinians were displaced between 1948 and now?

ETA: I admit I live on stolen land, and my ancestors were directly involved in stealing this land and genociding the Natives. I'm ashamed of this, and if I was told they wanted their land back I would give it back as long as I was promised land where I originally came from, France or Ireland. And it would have to involve not stealing any land from the people in the land I'm heading to.

I wouldn't ask for a piece of land that I have absolutely no affiliation with.

You get my point?
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Canada you can go to jail for making fun of anyone


I doubt that the ''hate law'' in Canada covers the questioning of Judaism.


Even by your own facetious comment, you admit that everyone, regardless of their religion or irreligion, is covered equally by your laws.


Well if you want to get technical, I did say anyone, and a Jewish person would fall under that category. Do they deserve their own special category? Is that what you're saying?



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
No, but they're the only state formed by stealing land from the original rightful owners
because "God gave them that land".


We dont want to start the "who was there first" debate, do we? There are already thousands of them on this site.

Furthermore, it does not answer my question about mass-deplacements, mass-genocides and extreme discrimination taking place all over Africa (Rwanda, Uganda and Sudan just to name a few), Tibet, South America.

Anti-Semites never talk about any of these incidents. They never make any threads about them. They never demonize them. They dont CARE about them. Why? Because their agenda has nothing to do with human rights but exclusively with antagonism against Jews.

All you have to do is look at their thread and post lists. Look at yours for example.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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All you have to do is look at their thread and post lists. Look at yours for example.






It's a trick, we always use it.





posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
No, but they're the only state formed by stealing land from the original rightful owners
because "God gave them that land".


We dont want to start the "who was there first" debate, do we? There are already thousands of them on this site.

Furthermore, it does not answer my question about mass-deplacements, mass-genocides and extreme discrimination taking place all over Africa (Rwanda, Uganda and Sudan just to name a few), Tibet, South America.

Anti-Semites never talk about any of these incidents. They never make any threads about them. They never demonize them. They dont CARE about them. Why? Because their agenda has nothing to do with human rights but exclusively with antagonism against Jews.

All you have to do is look at their thread and post lists. Look at yours for example.


No one should look up the info, if you're making the claim, you should back it up.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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...It holds that "zionists" (Jews living in Israel) are involved in a conspiracy.


This is NOT the definition of Zionism. It is not simply "Jews living in Israel". Zionism is a political movement. It began in 1897 when Zionists held their first congress. Their goal was the establishment of a Jewish state - which would mean carving it out of another state (Palestine). (There's already 2 threads here at ATS on the topic of the existence of Palestine). The major problem most people have with Zionism is the extreme it goes to oppressing the rights of Palestinians and creating an apartheid state. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been turned into refugees within their own homeland, forced to watch as Zionists armed with Uzis and bulldozers drive them out of their homes. You're doing exactly what so many complain about regarding Zionists - calling them anti-Semites and ignoring the root cause (human rights abuses) of those complaints.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by satron


No one should look up the info, if you're making the claim, you should back it up.


I already have...since 2005. It gets tiring.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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I agree thats not the official definition. But its the definition of many here. They think Zionists control media, banks and whatnot.



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