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Can Ufos be unidentified animals?

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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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would be nice if NASA would let us see the original


Jim Oberg keeps saying they have it, but no one can find it
Besides the STS 80 clip over the thunderstorm is a much better case for critters...
No bokehs to argue




posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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What a surprise more out of focus objects on video you have never done that before zorgon


Many months back someone posted a video of what looked like one of your so called critters but when the camera was focused on the astronaut in front of the camera the critter was a bit of dust or ice thats out of focus,

The look of your critters with the central hole and the notch has also been shown to be caused by how the lens is constructed.

You see zorgon you may have followers that WON'T think for themselves or CAN'T or that dont know anything about how photography / video or digital imaging works I will name a few LEAR,HOAGLAND AND LANEY!

Even you dear old mucker on here Mikesingh left shortly after even was shown he was looking at his moon towers the WRONG way round.


Anyone who wants to educate themselves re how this works should look at this post and the others below it by depthoffield. Dare I suggest zorgon you should be first!

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008
Even you dear old mucker on here Mikesingh left shortly after even was shown he was looking at his moon towers the WRONG way round.


Mike Singh was banned for his work in the 9'11 threads... he chose not to return after that. Get your facts straight

depthoffield simply ignores the motion tracking to push his bokeh theory. Sorry it doesn't wash



Anyone who wants to educate themselves re how this works should look at this post and the others below it by depthoffield. Dare I suggest zorgon you should be first!


If you actually did any research instead of just playing the buffoon you would know that we spent many pages debating the issue with depthoffield and other skeptics

New Analysis Video of the STS-75 Tether Incident
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by karl 12

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Char-Lee
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That is what I believe. I think that many of the sightings especially of lit balls are energy type atmospheric creatures that live here and may be showing more in lower atmosphere because they are in distress from changes in their relm. I also think the same or similar creatures may live in space.



I'm gonna have to agree here. This makes the most sense.

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I'm sure Zorgon would have a few things to say about this thread but what about close range sightings of seemingly metallic objects, here's what Professor James E. McDonald had to say about it:




"The type of UFO reports that are most intriguing are close-range sightings of machine-like objects of unconventional nature and unconventional performance characteristics, seen at low altitudes, and sometimes even on the ground. The general public is entirely unaware of the large number of such reports that are coming from credible witnesses... When one starts searching for such cases, their number are quite astonishing. Also, such sightings appear to be occurring all over the globe."

Professor James E. McDonald from the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona speaking at the AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) in 1968


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Cheers.


Yeah, I've seen a metallic one up close in broad daylight.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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I'm to lazy to see if its already been said but- wouldn't we have found bones or remains of some sort if there were flying invisible/glowing animals flying around every where?



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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Great imaginative and unsettling thread.
I once was a mine worker and witnessed fossils of fish many shovel lengths below the surface.
It is logical to think that creatures unknown to us in this lifetime come from much farther up, say outerspace like the Op implies.

The tight rectum folk who make unsual noises and moans as they visit the bog may scoff and murmur at folk who dare to let the bowels of their imagination run freely, but some of us remain open.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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I'm still undecided on the Tether Incident. I saw the episode of UFO Hunters where they duplicated the look of the objects floating around the tether (hole in the center with a notch in the side), so that seems to be a plausible explanation, but then again, I suppose it is still possible that if these were indeed some type of plasma life forms, the camera still might apply those artifacts (central 'hole' and notch) to them when they are zoomed in on?

Either way, plenty of the other videos I've seen of bright, glowing objects emerging from Earth's atmosphere and disappearing into it again can't be so easily explained. I do believe that some of these objects are either a type of craft or, more likely, some type of energy-based life form.

I'm reminded of a story I saw (I can't remember what show it was on) about an alleged incident where a glowing ball seemingly 'phased' through the skin of an airliner, floated down the aisle to the amazement and horror of the passengers, and then phased right back out through the hull and continued on it's way.

A friend of mine also had a similar experience that he swears by. He once told me that one evening he was sitting in his living room on his computer, when suddenly, a glowing, blueish ball seemed to just appear, right through the wall. He says the ball floated across the room, then suddenly exploded in a flash of light, which short-circuited his computer and the light in the room. He told me that the next thing he remembers is waking up in the hospital and being told that he was struck by lightning.

Of course, both incidents were explained as being ball lightning, but sometimes I wonder...is there more to this phenomenon? How can burning gas seemingly 'phase' through solid objects? Could some exotic form of ball lightning be what we're seeing in some of the NASA videos? Or could ball lightning be something far more exotic than just balls of plasma?



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by ZardoZx
I'm to lazy to see if its already been said but- wouldn't we have found bones or remains of some sort if there were flying invisible/glowing animals flying around every where?


No Plasma critters have no bones as they are made of energy



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by Charizard
Of course, both incidents were explained as being ball lightning, but sometimes I wonder...is there more to this phenomenon? How can burning gas seemingly 'phase' through solid objects? Could some exotic form of ball lightning be what we're seeing in some of the NASA videos? Or could ball lightning be something far more exotic than just balls of plasma?


Great post
Quite likely "something far more exotic"

And it is now being picked up by main stream science as well

Plasma blobs hint at new form of life


Physicists have created blobs of gaseous plasma that can grow, replicate and communicate - fulfilling most of the traditional requirements for biological cells. Without inherited material they cannot be described as alive, but the researchers believe these curious spheres may offer a radical new explanation for how life began.


www.newscientist.com...

Not only that, they are discovering that maybe life began as plasma balls



Most biologists think living cells arose out of a complex and lengthy evolution of chemicals that took millions of years, beginning with simple molecules through amino acids, primitive proteins and finally forming an organised structure. But if Mircea Sanduloviciu and his colleagues at Cuza University in Romania are right, the theory may have to be completely revised.

They say cell-like self-organisation can occur in a few microseconds. The researchers studied environmental conditions similar to those that existed on the Earth before life began, when the planet was enveloped in electric storms that caused ionised gases called plasmas to form in the atmosphere.


That is why we won't have disclosure
Imagine if Religions found out the Creator was a ball of Plasma

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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 04:19 AM
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Zorgman! You are up! There have been biogell-like blobs falling out of the sky for years. I was fortunate enough to watch a close up video from the ISS that taped a segmented wormlike think in super high atmosphere....wigling around like an animal. We have no idea what these things are but they do seem to be part of our enviroment. Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Lets see zorgon did I actually claim mike left because of the towers mistake NO! but then again claiming 30 yrs experience at looking at aerial images and then not seeing he was looking at the image the wrong way was a BIG mistake, to his credit he did admit he was wrong.

Then you have Mr Laney and his Mars rat again all it takes is a change in camera position and this so called image expert is just as lost as mike was with his towers.

Well as for the others I mentioned Hoagland you could write a volume of books on his errors ,claims and wrong assumptions.

Then dear OLD Mr Lear now if any site can have picture like this



to try and claim evidence of alien or human activty well all I can say is FANTASISTS!!!

You guys want this so much it really clouds your judgement of what you see in pictures or videos. It seems automatically its a ufo,creature or evidence of what you want it to be.
Now dont get me wrong I am the sceptic of sceptics having seen this BS repeated over a few decades now BUT I really do want to see the real deal and if I do I will back it to the hilt !!!

Yes EVEN if you post it zorgon


As for your link to plasma life form talk about clutching at straws that scientist would probably say this is a life form as well.




posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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Agreed Zorgon the original footage would be much better, one would hope


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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 11:01 PM
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I'm under the impression that there is a possibility of both. I am a living witness of an up close sighting of a metallic disc from about 70 to 100 feet I know that there is some solid "nuts and bolts" craft out there but I've also heard of the "manisolas" these are bio engineered organisms that have a full life cycle and are interstellar and interdimensional craft. there's a bit of literature about them on the internet.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 02:33 AM
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i did not read more then 2 replys but here is my own. ive read bits here and there about atmospheric "dragons" if you will that move at such speeds that our eyes get no time to see them but we get a glimpse of something then its nothing. maybe some of the flying objects are animals but i highly doubt it. because even if you say that these are animals we havnt seen before or even heard about then take any living organism apart from a cellular organism they have limbs of some kind, they arnt just a disk or a triangle or a cigar haha. any documented aliens or ET beings have a general build a body and limbs.



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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there is one glaring fact that bothers me with the tether incident. Where is the nasa footage of the tether before it accidentally broke free due to overcharge? aparently its being hidden from the public. we know it exist.how can a organization hundreds of years old not have footage of firing up a highly experimental project? they only have the camera footage after it broke free accidentally? Something isnt adding up right?
What if the main reason they didnt show the footage of them powering up the tether for the first time (even though cameras where there and ready) is because it clearly shows these ufo's werent detected before the electrostatic discharge?
are there any thoughts on this? is there any other explanation as to why they would record the dmg done and not record the first throwing of the switch?
Logic and science tells me that they did record the first power up of the tether....politics and power tell me they are not showing it because these ice crystals and space debris were not visible before the tether broke free.
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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 03:44 AM
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Originally posted by Aarcadius
i did not read more then 2 replys but here is my own. ive read bits here and there about atmospheric "dragons" if you will that move at such speeds that our eyes


i only had time to read the first line in your post


The Atmospheric Dragons are not the same as Plasma Critters - get with the program.

And it really doesn't matter if your eyes are too slow to see them or you don't believe in them...

Some of us see them quite clearly and some of us can summon them...
And if you are very quick, you can catch them on film







My wife was skeptic about the dragons, until my daughter took her out and summoned one






posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by Foxy1
there is one glaring fact that bothers me with the tether incident. Where is the nasa footage of the tether before it accidentally broke free due to overcharge? aparently its being hidden from the public. we know it exist.how can a organization hundreds of years old not have footage of firing up a highly experimental project? they only have the camera footage after it broke free accidentally? Something isnt adding up right?


NASA has released ZERO footage of the tether, The video we have was recorded by Martyn Stubbs in Canada with a commercial satellite receiver that he eavesdropped with

Jim Oberg claims NASA has them but no one can find out how to order them, and he has never volunteered to get a copy for us, despite his blustering



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