Breaking: Eyewitness Affidavit- Iowa Caucus Vote Hacked by GOP?, page 2


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reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:20 AM by eLPresidente
reply to post by OutKast Searcher



lol, you made such a huge deal about the 'sore Ron Paul losers' crying vote fraud, now that a truth affidavit has been submitted, your new argument is, "Iowa Caucus isn't important anyways, why are you guys giving it so much importantce"


Wow you are unbelievable....the lengths you will go to troll Ron Paul......


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:20 AM by SurrealisticPillow
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Easy. The conservative principles are Republican, but the party has been hijacked by corrupt criminals. So, concerned Americans don't just cut and run, they fight for principle.
The Democrats do the same thing to people trying to change a corrupt system. Look how they blindly line up behind Obama. That is the pathetic and untold story. Corruption in party politics is universal.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:23 AM by DiabolusFireDragon
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



Because at least this way he is getting a little exposure.

If he were to run as an independent the media could/would ignore him all together. At least this way they at least mention him in passing.

I also think this is the problem. The 2 party system sucks, IMO.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:24 AM by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by eLPresidente
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post by OutKast Searcher



lol, you made such a huge deal about the 'sore Ron Paul losers' crying vote fraud, now that a truth affidavit has been submitted, your new argument is, "Iowa Caucus isn't important anyways, why are you guys giving it so much importantce"


Wow you are unbelievable....the lengths you will go to troll Ron Paul......


This thread should have nothing to do with Ron Paul...all that is stake here is Romney's vote count differing by 20 votes...which would give Santorum the win.

How do you figure I'm "trolling Ron Paul"???

Not everything is about Ron Paul, in my mind Ron Paul is third in Iowa...this information isn't going to change that.

I have said all along that Iowa is insiginifcant to me...if Paul won then the GOP establishment would of called it insignificant...not me.

I'm sorry the candidate you support lost and that his own party doesn't support him...that isn't my fault....deal with it.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:24 AM by eLPresidente
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



For starters, he believes in the 'old right', true conservatism, reforming the GOP.

How about the need for exposure when the third party gets so little? especially when you rely on a relative minority to fund the campaign?

The amount of debate time Ron got (what little it has been) is more than any independent could get in the mean time.


What I don't understand is how can somebody that is serious on winning that isn't self-funded NOT run in the two main party's? You of all people should be aware of the two party sham-system.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:29 AM by eLPresidente
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by eLPresidente
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post by OutKast Searcher



lol, you made such a huge deal about the 'sore Ron Paul losers' crying vote fraud, now that a truth affidavit has been submitted, your new argument is, "Iowa Caucus isn't important anyways, why are you guys giving it so much importantce"


Wow you are unbelievable....the lengths you will go to troll Ron Paul......


This thread should have nothing to do with Ron Paul...all that is stake here is Romney's vote count differing by 20 votes...which would give Santorum the win.


I'm sorry the candidate you support lost and that his own party doesn't support him...that isn't my fault....deal with it.


Funny you say that when you have already mentioned Paul in this thread when you specifically just stated "this thread should have nothing to do with Ron Paul"

Give up your charades...its blatant & sad...


What are you apologizing for? nobody tried to blame you for Paul's strong third finish in Iowa, that was the work of the campaign, the grassroots, and strong ideology. You have absolutely nothing to do with the success of the campaign. Nobody tried to blame you for the GOP not supporting him. Why would you say it isn't your fault when NOBODY blamed you?

Deal with it.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:36 AM by SurrealisticPillow
reply to post by OutKast Searcher


The GOP didn't "hack the vote" to make Paul lose. The only thing in question is 20 votes for Romney.


Actually, they DID hack the vote, and the 20 votes is NOT the only questionable count. Perhaps you should read a bit more?

Vote fraud, another example.

How many more? We may find out. Why may we? Because we are hell bent on truth.
edit on 6-1-2012 by SurrealisticPillow because: Spelling



reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:38 AM by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by eLPresidente



I am responding to people bringing up Ron Paul, so naturally I bring him up.

Doesn't change the fact that this thread shouldn't be about him...I shouldn't have to respond to people being illogical and thinking this has anything to do with Ron Paul.

Ron Paul lost a lead in Iowa...you can view it however you choose to...I view it as a loss for him. Ron Paul supporters (including you) were hyping him up as an easy win in Iowa...a landslide...having it in the bag...that makes his third place finish even worse for him. It just shows how poor of a grasp his supporters have on his level of support...over confidence is the phrase that comes to mind.

And yes...I just talked about Ron Paul...because you directed a comment to me about him...so *gasp*...I responded.



reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:43 AM by eLPresidente
reply to post by OutKast Searcher




All I have to respond to that is:

You are so scared of him going up against Obama, it is hilarious.

If he is soooo unelectable and unwanted, you wouldn't even be bothering this much to troll him in every pro or anti-RP thread.


You make it very obvious, nothing can change that, unless you stop and ignore him altogether (which you won't)

So deal with it.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:48 AM by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by eLPresidente



If you haven't noticed, this is a discussion board. Ron Paul is a hot topic right now on ATS. Politics is one of my favorite forums and topics. There is also a lot of false information about Paul that his supporters try to pass off here, and I don't like people trying to spread lies. Me discussing Ron Paul is only a refleciton of the content that is currently on ATS.

Ron Paul would be my second choice as GOP candidate if I was to order them in preference of who I think would be the easiest win for Obama....actually he is first now since Bachman dropped out. He is crazy, he is racist, and the GOP base won't support him...I'm hardly "scared" of him, whatever that means.

Politics is a game...I'm an observer and commenter on that game...I'm not as emotionally involved as you (and other Ron Paul supporters) apparently are. Take a deep breath...and calm down.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 09:59 AM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by OutKast Searcher



I agree completely. My husband and I were talking this morning and we came to the conclusion that Republican voters (those that would vote for Romney or Gingrich) would probably vote for Obama if he was up against Paul. They want the status quo to be maintained. And they THINK Obama will do that better than Ron Paul.

If Obama is just like Bush then the GOP may just vote for him if faced with the possibility of a Paul presidency.

(I personally don't think Obama is like Bush OR that he wants to maintain the status quo, but many do, and most are of the conservative-leaning quadrant)

I don't doubt the vote was hacked by the GOP. It wouldn't be the first time...


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 10:01 AM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by SurrealisticPillow



What if Paul wins? It would be to his credit, absolutely! If he fights this out and wins? That would increase my respect for him quite a bit. I want to see him go up against Obama. I think it would be a very exciting election!


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 10:03 AM by twitchy
Some of the old timers here on ATs will probably remember this thread...
The Diebold Factor
I don't know what's scarier, the fact they can hack the vote, or the fact that Americans sat on our collective arses and let them get away with it. Check the thread out if you haven't seen it, it's pretty damning.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 10:13 AM by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



I don't think GOPers will vote for Obama...but I do think Trump will run as a third party candidate if Ron Paul would somehow win the nomination...and I think a large percentage of GOPers will vote for Trump as an independent instead of Ron Paul.

I actually think that most of the GOP candidates would endorse Trump as an independent rather than endorse Ron Paul.

Trump has already said he would do this...as a pun very much intended....this is the GOPs trump card against Ron Paul.

And why not...Ron Paul and his supporters are openly gaming the GOP primary...it's no secret that Ron Paul won't endorse any of the candidates if he doesn't win and his supporters aren't transferrable to them. So I say it is fair game for the GOP to sabatoge Ron Paul if he somehow wins...because he isn't willing to be a true part of their party. Do you remember 2008...Ron Paul didn't even attend the GOP convention...he had his own convention just a few miles away...if I were the GOP, I would simply kick him out of the party and not put him on the primary ballots.
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