How SOPA (as written) might kill ATS and free speech online (UPDATED)

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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


All I can say is this is another attack on the majority of people. Awesome Op, and very nice job. I believe it will be the end of the freedom of the internet for most, but lots will find a way to get through...Hopefully, and spread the word.. I really thought the other day, what has this government actually done for the people in the last ten years. Pretty much absolutely nothing. I wish I could start a thread on this, because I can quickly see what the government has done for businesses and other countries in the last ten years,,,Im so sick of what we are paying these guys to do, and not for us, but actually against us. This country is being led by a bunch of people who thinks we are insects at this point...And I just cant believe that the majority of people just do not see it!!! Im so steamed!




posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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Nothing to add here but my full support of shooting this legislation down and to the ground.
Regards, Iwinder



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
reply to post by Amaterasu
 


Sorry, but my physics background precludes me from having any hope for "free energy."


well.. honestly that's sad to hear you say...

as for myself I will hold on to hope in the discovery of some unknown means to achieve an environmentally safe & sound source of energy...

perhaps a warehouse with artificial clouds producing Lighting.. idk just a thought..

anyways.. I would like to ask how deep into say, Nikola Tesla's work you have delved into or if you have had a thread previously expanding on your conclusion that "Free Energy" is an impossibility..

peace..


and thankyou for the SOPA info..
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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This is totally wrong! Bit by bit theyre slowly taking every right we have away one by one. Something has got too be done, it would be one of the biggest killers of freedom of speech on the internet, surely somebody would come too their senses and not sign this ludicrous bill?



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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The rediculous thing about this proposed legislation is that it has an international impact. Not only does it threaten to block websites for people living in America, but if American's are to calous to use their own free will and fight this legislation, then it would threaten to shut down websites stationed in the US, meaning the webistes like ATS, YouTube and others could be closed down period. For people such as me, living in Australia, this has serious implications for my free will. I would have never guessed that the "land of the free, home of the brave" would threaten my freedom of speech too, when all the rhetoric I here from the US-New Media and government representitives seems to be supportive of democracy and freedom, and critical of censorship, in countries such as Iran and China, yet the censorship that would be undertaken in the US would be on a global scale.

I feel powerless to fight against this legislation, given that I have little sway in domestic US politics. I could "theoratically" call US senators and congressmen, yet my opinion would have little weight at all, the second they find out I am from Australia. What I have done, is write to much of the major news-media, in Australia, USA and Europe, demanding they raise awarness in regards to this legislation. I have not gotten any replies thus far, but I remain hopeful. If more of us do this, the news media would be forced to report on this legislation.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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The internet is nothing more than a cat and mouse game. Internet geeks have already taken steps to thwart any net censorship before this bill was made. Its called the Tor network. Downside to using it slow speeds



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
SOPA is the most dangerous threat to free speech ever proposed by the US government.
That's what I think.


SOPA isn't the most dangerous threat to free speech.

Your compliance is.

You did not speak up when they said plants were evil, you said do not talk about them here.

You did not speak up when they said certain pornography is evil, you said do not talk about it here.

You did not speak up when they said certain words were evil, you said do not say them here.

And, though the choke hold the government has on the people has been talked about, debated, and evidence presented, doing something about it is forbidden speech here.

So, they came for the Jews, and you did not care because you are not a Jew.

Now all will reap what complacency has sown.

Don't worry my sceptical friend, it is all going by the books.

Nothing to do but,

turn the page.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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What is your solution to online Piracy? How would you go about protecting people who's intellectual property is being stolen? If you had control, how would you write the laws to protect your website and other's intellectual property?

Before I'm flamed, I'm also opposed to SOPA, but at the same time I'm fully aware that genuine Piracy is rampant on the Internet. We see Pirates here all the time arguing they have the right to steal others work without paying for it. I imagine they are mostly children who's parents don't monitor them, but I'm sure some are adults with bad intentions.

I was a victim of this at the hands of a website operator for a nationally syndicated radio program. Weeks of work on an image, years to learn the software to create it and they pocketed the money by simply selling it outside the US. Since that time, I no longer upload anything marketable to the Internet and I don't even maintain a gallery. I see rational arguments on both sides.

What is the answer?



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Is that to say you would like pornography on this website in addition to the millions of other websites its already on?

I thought this was supposed to be a topically focused website...



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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If SOPA was in action and ATS was taken down for one complaint, what would you do? Im sure they have very good reasons why we dont have or allow such things as swears and things,Im sure its too keep order onsite and too not let things get out of control so we can all carry on what we do on here.

What we do on here could be demolished by SOPA. Which is why im fully against it.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Wow ..US is done .....becoming like a United Arab Emirates


A United Arab Emirates court on Sunday sentenced a blogger and four other democracy activists to prison terms after finding them guilty of charges including insulting the Gulf state's leaders.The State Security Court handed the blogger, Ahmed Mansoor (pictured), a three-year prison sentence and the four others each received two years. They have no recourse to appeal. A United Arab Emirates court on Sunday sentenced a blogger and four other Internet activists to prison terms after finding them guilty of charges including insulting the Gulf state's leaders.

UAE court jauls five internet activists



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Good Post Skeptic Overlord. It would seem that we are heading into the Orwellian dawn? Ok, what can we do as a group, or citizens to keep this from happening? Is there a central person that we can petition, or does it need to be our respective representatives from our own states? Let me know, and I will get my e-mail box cooking.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Sorry. Blaine. I generally agree with you, but have to part ways here. This isn't about "piracy", it's about control. It's just their version of "it's for the children". If they have a problem with piracy, they should DO something about that. This legislation is more akin to hunting cockroaches with a 12 gauge shotgun. As the roach skitters away to it's darkened crack unscathed, the hunter is left holding a smoking gun, wondering what he's going to do about that big hole he just blew in the Constitution... er... I mean "wall".




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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by awakehuman

Even facebook is censoring the News about "SOPA" OR "NDAA" by filtering the URL or linked page by scanning content.


I highly doubt that since Facebook is one of the most outspoken critics of SOPA/PIPA. So much so that Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Wikipedia are threatening a global blackout of their sites for 24hrs to protest the acts.

Fox News
TIME



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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As soon as I read, "......by the idiots and fools known as elected officials.... ", I HAD to stop mid-sentence and give a star. A very interesting and alarming OP. It's amazing how many well meaning people, ie, friends and family, for example, really think this is a good thing. "It's to stop all of that bad pirating, etc". they say. When advised of the vagueness and the implications, it's "oh the government wouldn't really do that". This is what I hear usually. Same thing with that other recent bill....for indefinite detention.

The point is, most people seem so naive and in denial. I've been seeing alarming political/social trends that are endangering our liberties long before the internet and no one ever wants to question anything unless it's under the dumbed down umbrella of left-right politics. But with careful attention, one can pick out those certain things that transcend all of that.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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Please read my whole post where I stated I'm opposed to SOPA.

My point in the question is that if anyone want's to influence legislation, you MUST offer alternatives to deal with the genuine problems they are intended to address. Far better to lead than to follow behind complaining.

I think you misread.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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I honestly don't think either one of those will pass. Even if they did, it would take no time at all for the big corporations to notice a huge drop in their sales. People would have no need to buy those expensive phones for internet, or any other device focused on the internet.





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