Contrails from WWII planes

Even planes not even powered by jet engines made persistent contrails in the 40s. These planes were powered by gasoline piston radial engines.

www.livescience.com...

"Allied bombing raids during World War II turned the English sky white with contrails, providing a case study for modern scientists studying how the weather is affected by these long, feathery lines of condensation that form behind aircraft."

just a warning - there are people on ATS that think WWII footage was faked - so dont be alarmed

reply to post by ignorant_ape


I don't know if anyone on ATS actually does - but "Tankerenemy" on YT does - and a lot of people take him as gospel, so perhaps there's some here.

Here's his reasoning:

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


So, let me get this straight: the pilots who flew the aircraft who witnessed contrails during WWII were paid shills, along with the thousands of people on the ground who also witnessed them? It'd documented in books and WWII manuals about persistent contrails. They had to re-route squadrons of bombers around them. There's also documentation from the link above about how people on the ground witnessed cold temperatures during the day because the contrails created an overcast cirrus cloud deck and prevented sunlight from hitting the surface.

This is ridiculous when you present solid evidence to people and then they turn that into an entire new conspiracy, that the government created false images and video of WWII bombers.

reply to post by Drew99GT


that just about sums it up welcome to the battle against the chemtrail delusion

forum.prisonplanet.com...

"Yes, we certainly did. Contrails were so thick that they became clouds. We often said that we created weather over Europe. They would persist for many hours, maybe days. We flew a different route coming back than going in partly to avoid the contrail clouds that we created. There are some pictures of contrails on my web site - none of these are shown to be very heavy but there were time when we were near the end of the bomber stream and the contrails were so dense that it was no dfferent than flying in clouds. A thousand or more
planes (4000 internal combustion engines) can make a lot of contrail at 25000 feet or more.
Hope this helps.

Willard Reese- 457th Bomb Group"

www.457thbombgroup.org...

goodsky.homestead.com...

"I seem to have become quite wordy in describing my encounter with contrails
but that is what I recall of the 18th of March 1945! Almost any of the books by the 8th AF biographer, Roger Freeman, have pictures of contrails over Europe. Most public libraries also have the Life series on WWII with similar pictures. And I am certain that NASA has abundant pictures in their files of WWII photos."

I may get bored tomorrow and mosey over to the public library and see if I can't find an old WWII book with pictures of WWII aircraft spewing out contrails. I can't believe, nearly 60 years since WWII and it's almost forgotten. The men who fought in the war, to include family members, are almost all gone and so are many of the facts and memories of that era.

"Flak had just begun to explode as the anti-aircraft gunners searched for our range. We were easy for them to
spot, as our contrails were heavy that day, pointing like fingers in the sky toward our squadron as it flew straight and level on its bomb run."

www.91stbombgroup.com...

www.91stbombgroup.com...

reply to post by Drew99GT


Yep - I guess so.

What happens, as I understand it, is that people like Tankerenemy are unwilling to admit their initial position is wrong. Therefore every new piece of information that contradicts it has to be denied, no matter how stupidly.

He also says that a book of cloud photos published in 1905 is fake - presumably artificially aged and "salted" into public release to justify chemtrails or something like that - here

I think that if tankerenemy was to say that grass is green and water is wet I would feel the need to go and make sure for myself.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Wow....

That is some amazing ignorance, right there. I really don't get why anyone should interpret an unfocused picture of an aircraft in the background of an image as proof that it isn't in the middle of a turn. You can see the turn is wide, and yet he expects obvious banking.
Really, has he ever been on a plane??

Originally posted by apex
Really, has he ever been on a plane??

Apparently he tried to once but it was full of chemtrail tanks and pumps etc. and so there was no room for him!

Chemtrails are the current version of en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Looks like tanker enemy has no clue on perspective. Or even distance for that matter.

And you are absolutely right about people using his videos as gospel for chemtrails.Makes you laugh alot like this...

WWII defensive smoke curtain

www.youtube.com...[editb y]edit on 12-1-2012 by khalan4 because: added explanation