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the importance of provenance

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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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it doesnt matter if you are dealing with antiques , or UFO footage

provenance MATTERS , so why do so many UFO " Incidents " ommit it where ever possible ?

a current "incident " under discussion in 2 threads [ 1 2 ] hi-light this perfectly

the only info given via you-tube channel is :

" from the dashcam of a scottish mountain rescue vehicle "

now if this footage deserved any sort of investigation [ it does not BTW ], where would one start ?

how about a list of all 30 groups under the umbrella of scottish mountain rescue , its a start - but as one can see - you are already on a uphill struggle just to find out precisely where the footage origionated

both ATS threads rightly dismissed the footage - but no one asked any serious question of its source

are we really so used to such shenanigans that a total lack of information and backstory is now considered the norm ????

ATS and UFO reserarch deserves better -




posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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I totally agree ! No more blinking lights , orbs , night vision goggles or anything of YouTube should be banned ! Just saying .



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
are we really so used to such shenanigans that a total lack of information and backstory is now considered the norm ????
The minimum information that should be expected in relation to a sighting or yourube video is:

Date
Time
Location
Direction
Relation to horizon (It's impossible to determine the altitude of a UFO but it's possible to say if it appeared low against the horizon, or otherwise. If taking video and it's centered on the UFO, but no horizon can be seen, the photographer should consider lowering the camera a bit to keep the UFO in at the top, but to make some of the horizon visible for a reference)

If a video doesn't even have that amount of minimum information, it's not worth spending any time on it.

Additionally, it would be nice to know the photographer and other witnesses, but given ATS is an anonymous board we can't expect that here.


Originally posted by rick004
I totally agree ! No more blinking lights , orbs , night vision goggles or anything of YouTube should be banned ! Just saying .

As long as a video is well documented, I have no problem looking at it on youtube, but the biggest problem witho youtube is how it compresses the original detail out of the video, making any type of analysis difficult. So youtube might be OK for initial screening if date, time, etc is provided, but for any serious analysis, a version of the video closer to the original than the youtube compression is required.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
it doesnt matter if you are dealing with antiques , or UFO footage

provenance MATTERS , so why do so many UFO " Incidents " ommit it where ever possible ?

a current "incident " under discussion in 2 threads [ 1 2 ] hi-light this perfectly

the only info given via you-tube channel is :

" from the dashcam of a scottish mountain rescue vehicle "

now if this footage deserved any sort of investigation [ it does not BTW ], where would one start ?

how about a list of all 30 groups under the umbrella of scottish mountain rescue , its a start - but as one can see - you are already on a uphill struggle just to find out precisely where the footage origionated

both ATS threads rightly dismissed the footage - but no one asked any serious question of its source

are we really so used to such shenanigans that a total lack of information and backstory is now considered the norm ????

ATS and UFO reserarch deserves better -


I totally agree. We have videos posted everyday that have no CONTEXT! They may be a few seconds long, don't show what happened to the object eventually and come with no witness statement and usually a title such as 'UFO mothership in China'.

One type of story i have seen alot are Chinese news stories which we are told are about UFO's. No-one takes the effort to translate these things and this is what hoaxers rely on.

Almost as infuriating as the undiscerning people that post these things on youtube are the people that just believe what they are told on youtube, such as time, date, place etc. I think a generation of people has been produced that have no critical thinking skills or natural sense of curiosity and believe anything they see on youtube/internet is automatically true. Unfortunately that's great for our governments.

We should always investigate things for ourselves, evidence is no use unless you can verify what it is, where it came from, who filmed it, where etc. Clips without context are very poor evidence of anything.



posted on Dec, 26 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_apeare we really so used to such shenanigans that a total lack of information and backstory is now considered the norm ????

Uh oh, tinkerbelle can't cope. Try using your mind if you have that ability.


edit on 10 27 2013 by donktheclown because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 26 2015 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: donktheclown

oh dear snowflake - you really are pissed arnt you

digging up a 3 year old thread - just to get a dig in

do use my mind - thats the entire point of this thread [ any my rebuttal to yours ]

you are the one who is making bollox up and refusing to acept reality



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