Originally posted by jones
I think that if 2 witnesses show up in Israel on December 21, 2005, and begin preaching around the world for the next 3 1/2 years people will take a lot closer look at December 21, 2012. The “end times” lasts 7 years. At the end of those 7 years the “Great Satan” is sent into the abyss. Maybe that “dark corridor” mentioned is where God intends to send him.

Just a thought. Only God knows for sure.

The 2 witnesses have until maybe July 2008. There is no time period between there death and resurrection and "the big one"

Haven't picked up my bible in a while but it was my understanding that they preached through the first 3 1/2 years, they are killed in Isreal and their bodies lie untouchable for 3 days. After the 3 days Jesus comes down and takes the 2 witnesses and "his church" away so they don't have to endure the final 3 1/2 years.

look mabey the mayans where some lazy people and got tired of writing on stone and decided to go get a life or something.. geez like someones gunna look at our calenders and care. I sware the mayans are just lazy just because there isnt a date dosnt mean squat. I'm almost positive theres a day on your calender missing, eh?

[edit on 20-1-2005 by Cartman]

Im more of an optimist than pesimist
If the calender does end at 2012 then why could it not mean that a new calender is neccesary to bring in the new golden age after the decline of their civilization
or
it may be The calender that goes from 2012 to 10500 has not been found yet
One thing we do know is that we dont know everything

I think the phenomenon that we are talking about has as much to do with modern psychology as Archaeology or Anthropology
Armageddon is as much about giving people liscence to behave badly without consequence as the path of destiny has been set in stone.
It could even be that in order to keep accuracy a new calender must be made with sacrifices and ritual
maybe if they could see the future they new that in 2012 they would have no need for a calender

Check it out - what about the Sumerians who said the planet Nibiru (the Hebrews called it Yaweh) would return in 2012? If we take what the Bible said about God's (Yaweh's) return and look at it as an actual event described metaphoricaly by a less technologicaly advanced scribe then stuff kinda adds up. You know? I mean you have seven years of screwed up stuff followed by God's (Nibiru?) return. If that happens in 2012, then wouldn't the tribulation start in 2005? And what about the stuff that's supposed to usher in the tribulation?

* A peace agreement between Israel and Lebanon
* The whole wars and rumors of wars thing
* The revelation of the anti-christ (do we know who the Chief of intelligence is going to be yet?)
*The weird weather thing

All of this stuff is going down now - ancient prophecies from around the world are converging . There was even that white buffalo thing happening here in the US ( supposed to usher in the beginning of the new age). I mean - there's enough signs out there man - I think society is just to busy watching American Idol (ironic?) to see it. I mean do you cats remember the s#!t storm that rolled in when Clinton got busted lying about his little thing with Monica? He freakin' got impeached for lying about a BJ! Now Dubbya lies about weapons of mass destruction - starts a war killing thousands of humans from all over the world - is at least accused of having some involvement with the largest attack on America and counties all over the world (represented by diplomats who died in the WTC) and he gets re-elected. Now I know I'm more than a little off my rocker but I'm starting to feel like maybe there's something going on here. I dunno. It's just a thought.

This thread is a perfect example of people wanting only to perpetuate the myth of 2012, as evidenced by the fact they refuse to acknowledge that the dating of our calendar makes this at least the year 2011. Why? because rather than think they have only two years left, it is far easier to extend this silly notion of armageddon for another 7 years. So what happens on 12/22/2012 when you are all here? Does it become that the Mayan calendar dating is incorrect and so there are X more years? Is the point to keep beating this horse and spreading these fables of fear for 7 years? And if it it were true, what exactly do you propose to do about such an event?

According to other posters, the anti-Christ is already here, yet as I have pointed out, the witnesses are absent. And according to numerous past and defunct prophets, we should already be living in that 1000 years of woefulness. So which of you is correct, and why do you perpetuate this myth without acknowledging the obvious, that is; is it only rewarding to cry wolf and read without evidence something into that which is not there?

Even the Gregorian calendar has a perpetual calendar, one which can apply for infinity, but if earth was wiped out in 2192 and the next generation found such a calendar to the year 10,000, are they to assume the world will end in 10,000 years as they have dated time?

without pretending to have formed a conclusion on the topic, i would like to add things i have heard, but do not endorse as fact (as nothing ever can be) to this discussion. first, in the cycle of south american suns (worlds) we are on the fifth and final. the egyptians also had a myth which suggested they saw four suns, twice rising in the east and twice in the west. this, if nothing else, forms a concurrence in myth.
the mayan sun disk ends on 12th december 2012. this could be through lack of necessity of course, but for a culture so articulate in everything they did, it is a strangely precise date to end a calendar which did stretch further into the future than normal. as suggested by another poster, we dont keep calendars around for 2026, so it would be strange for the mayans to form a sacred object projecting that far into the future for merely telling the time.
another thing to point out is that the sundisk only denotes time ending on this date, not the earth or the humans that infest it.
it would be silly to base doomsday theories on such an inconclusive piece of evidence, and had the spanish not desicrated everything they saw perhaps there would be more light to shed on the subject. this being said, it is also not wise to dissmiss it entirely. after all, those mayans seem to know something we dont.

It is the beginning of the end.

Steven Joseph Christopher



[edit on 25-1-2005 by Byrd]

I read in the book A forest of Kings(Schele and Friedel) that not even the Mayans thought that the end of the long count would be the end of the world. "Pacal, the great king of Palenque, predicted in his inscriptions that the eightenth Calendar Round anniversary of his accession will be celebrated eight days after the first eight-thousand-year cycle in the Mayan calendar ends. In our time system, this cycle will end on October 15, 4772" So if we can all figure out how to live that long we can have a big party in Pacal's name. I think that many people like the idea of some doomsday for some reason, but they should be more concerned with how we can make this existance better. But what do I know?

i dont think the world ending in 2012 is anything to worry about. not because i am certain it wont, but because i am certain that it is not a bad thing. in my opinion, 2012 is too long to wait. if you do not share my outlook, then at least find solace in this fact: when it happens, you wont know about it for very long.
i read about a doctor at the University of California, named Ulrich Schmucker who examined the magnestism of two basalt domes. one was recent, one had been formed when the earth was about 20 million years old. they both showed completely opposite magnetism! one was north, one south. the latter obviously south.
a theory arising from this and other research is that a comet hit the earth and knocked it completely off balance. the poles reversed, lands changed and the sun would have ultimately risen in a different direction for the survivors. "twice in the east and twice in the west." to quote my previous post. with such an astounding knowledge of the cosmos, and possible visits by aliens, is it not so wrong to think that perhaps when the fifth sun sets in 2012, it will be caused by a comet detected by the mayans so many centuries ago. and indeed if that is the case, most of us will have a quick death.

Originally posted by Cartman
look mabey the mayans where some lazy people and got tired of writing on stone and decided to go get a life or something.. geez like someones gunna look at our calenders and care. I sware the mayans are just lazy just because there isnt a date dosnt mean squat. I'm almost positive theres a day on your calender missing, eh?

[edit on 20-1-2005 by Cartman]

you said it mon!
But they were far from lazy, after all, they made the calendar for more than 2000 years in advance!

Better get to Mars and quick

What are the chances of Earth AND Mars comming to an end? Better get moving.... If anything happens at all which I dont think. I think they just stopped making calendars because you cant keep making calendars forever!

David Icke said the NWO plan was to be by then. By his book and find out why. I also heard Farrakhan said that it would be a transition from white to black rule by that period. But both Louid and David indulge heavily with American Indians. But also 2000 was to have been the end and 2004 and so forth and so on.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Asia Minor]

i wouldn't trust that 12/21/2012 stuff, if they were so accurate they should have predicted their demise as a civilization . anyway, you never know right? perhaps they thought they would have had time to finish the calender at a later date, but instead their civilization fell before it reached completion. hope it comes sooner though. i may be nuts.

I've been reading about this topic for many years. Everything I have read has indicated that this date is not the end of the world. It is the end of "time". We will move from the 3rd dimension into eternity. No more time. No more watches, no more calendars. And hopefully, no more work.

Originally posted by jones
I've been reading about this topic for many years. Everything I have read has indicated that this date is not the end of the world. It is the end of "time". We will move from the 3rd dimension into eternity. No more time. No more watches, no more calendars. And hopefully, no more work.

YES dear one, no more MONEY also...
prepare youself for great chaos as mother earth cleans herself...turn to spiritual people for answers as they are sent for you. Before light comes, there will be darkness indeed but don't fear! Send unconditional love and positive around yourself

I am here for you
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the year 20012/13
the holy cross which is an astrological alignment completes its turn..which it does every12,900 yrs..the cross will stand straight..north and south poles..
the ley lines will charge...
thats all i dare share..

the spinx has recently been discovered to have been built earlier than thought..around 12,803 yrs or sooner...
the sphynx watches over the sands of time

all i can say is to learn how to be in the momment...it takes yrs to learn this..master it

Just thought I woul post here....

I think that due to the recent accelerations on Earth the date would be more like 2011 to 2012 (not 2012/2013), the fact is that Earth is going, let's say, up a level, in my opinion and studies, I have found that we are going to be visited or we are going to contact another race, plus Earth will enter a new era, a higher one, that's why everything is happening, the World as we know is going to change a lot, it will be the end of the world as we know it, it doesn't mean however that everyone is going to die and Earth is going boom, it will just change...

just my thought
i feel when the holy cross aligns due north and south poles in the cosmos(planetary alignment),i feel this will have a major effect on our planets axis..
we are allready wobbling a little more from the tsunami..maybe the earth does a rotation on its axis..
if that happens then waters and everything else will do a major shift??,no?!
we have been through many extreme changes for millions of years..we are now finding out that there has been extremly intelligent life here millions of yrs ago..long before egyptians/sumerians..
the artifacts that have been dated prove it,,

maybe the aliens or gods come back...
in the writtings on the walls from egyptian days.there are pictures of things that look like the modern day helicopter and airplanes..

whatever happens i think it will be very extreme ..
some of us will survive...we allways do...it will be a new beginning once again..perhaps it wont be so light at first and we enter another dark age..searching for the light of day