All I know is, no matter what happens in 2012, im gonna have some major good times in these next few years until that day in 2012

Has it not crossed anyone’s mind that a solar year is approximately 365.2419 days?

Any calendar carved in stone that counted days would need to be modified periodically to compensate for the fractional day. If the calendar in question has the leap year calculated in its rotation, it would still need to be modified between 400 to 800 years to drop a leap year.

Many primitive cultures realized this fraction of time in the solar year and made an adjustment, some simply made calendars that focused on seasonal indications while the others that used daily calculations had to create calendars that covered a specific span (age of…) of time.

So, which do you think is more likely, an ancient civilization has predicted the end of our world or an ancient civilization noticed something odd about the math of their calendar and made the required adjustment?

I don't believe 2012 will be the ultimate end of the world but rather a new beginning/era. The Mayan calendar does not state it will end as in physical destruction or something. It is more like a conscious shift of the humankind to reach a higher dimension and hopefully a greater understanding of things. So basically the Age of Aquarius will begin and the world might only end the way we KNOW it right now.
As for myself I've had many dreams of this event and each time I see different aspects of it. If I'm not crazy then I have a feeling that the changes are already taking place. Now, this does not only involve Planet Earth but the whole Solar System as far as I'm concerned (and seen in dreams). I think there might be a planetary alignment of some kind, a polar shift (magnetic), some chaos among humans (those who do not understand what's going on mostly) and some drastic weather. I've also heard that Atlantis might rise from the Atlantic Ocean.
Another theory is that a comet or Nibiru will arrive. Basically, there are many possibilities that might take place so all we gotta do is wait and see. We cannot know for certain what might happen.. IF anything happens that is (although I DO believe at least SOMETHING will happen or change).
But as for now I say: whether the world ends or not in the future should not matter to us in the present because we should live for today, for this moment, we should live our lives to the fullest and not think "oh, I won't be able to do that or go there because it'll all end in 2012 anyway" or whatever just because a calendar (although it doesn't say it'll end but people seem to interpret it that way) ends doesn't mean we will stop living our lives.

Originally posted by eaganthorn
Has it not crossed anyone’s mind that a solar year is approximately 365.2419 days?

Any calendar carved in stone that counted days would need to be modified periodically to compensate for the fractional day. If the calendar in question has the leap year calculated in its rotation, it would still need to be modified between 400 to 800 years to drop a leap year.

Actually, it would not. Not if it wasn't used to keep track of the seasons, that is.

The Mayan calendar didn't account for leap year. It was simply a count the days sort of affair, with various other counting cycles contributing to what day it was.

Originally posted by eaganthorn
So, which do you think is more likely, an ancient civilization has predicted the end of our world or an ancient civilization noticed something odd about the math of their calendar and made the required adjustment?

Neither

[edit on 11/4/2008 by Harte]

My view is that the Mayans just got tired of making the calendar. Besides, if something terrible happens at the end of the so called "cycle" it can't wipe out everything. Being a cycle, it would repeat itself, meaning the Mayans or some previous culture would have lived through the last one so the Mayans could make this calendar.

Originally posted by joemustard
My view is that the Mayans just got tired of making the calendar.

Nope.

Their culture collapsed before the calendar ended. They wouldn't have needed to make a new one anyway. The same one would have started over.

Harte

the date 12/21/2012 is not the end of the world, or the calender it's just the end of a grand year, wich is about 26,000 of our own years. the world will not end, the calender will just start over like your car turning over its last mile on the odominer, the next day the next grand year will end 5 great cycles later (65 baktuns later or 26,000 years) the only diference is we are about to pass throgh the glactic equater during the same time. but it will take 26 years to pass thrugh that so whos not to say that life will end in 2038?

this is just bull if it didnt end in 03' its not going to end they are just trying to get us to stop polluting . we should stop polluting but they went overboard

okay guys, just because the mayan calender ends, doesnt mean its the end of the world. you never know, they might of not been around to make a 2015 calender. jeez. and the world is not gonna end in 2012, if everybody expects it too. the only person who knows when the world is gonna end is God, and hes gonna end it when everybody LEASTS expects it. and yeah, we might all die on earth, but us who believe in him and ask him to forgive our sins and become a better person, will forever live on in heaven. so the choice is yours, be a great person, and live on forever in heaven, or be a bad person, and forever burn in hell. i personally choose the be a great person and live happily and forever in heaven with my creator. (:

so what if this earth would end? its gonna be anyway... and I have a question... how can i make a signature below my comment.... and how can i have picture beside my comment?...on the right side i mean...

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look, i'm a 10 year old kid in yr 5 and im really scared i mean you guys had the chance to drive a car or something i dont i'll be 14 but until the i think that i should be the best of my last 4 years cuase soon im ganna die and think in my grave why didnt i do that and if i live my life i kno i wont be thinking all that so take my advise and join me in living the life


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The point being os that its a calendar, there are lots of calendars all of which start and stop at various times, restart and flow on. It has no measurable affect on reality. Its a man made piece of technology that allows us to track time. The Maya adopted it from earlier calendars and used it to divide up time in ways that were meaningful to them. These division have no influence, power or importance-except to the Maya. Now the next step is to claim that this calendar somehow indicates important dates for reasons outside measuring time. There is no evidence for that belief.

It has no magical or scientific capabilities.

I'm sure lots of things were happening in 3114 and they would have happened with or without the calander being in existence.

posted this on the other 2012 thread, but actually meant to post it here

The End of the Muslim Calendar:, 2076

The end of the Jewish Calendar: 2240

The Mayan calendar only applies if you're Mayan. If you're Mayan be afraid...be very afraid

The good thing is that our own calendar doesnt ever have to end...

Howdy Sky

Yep

Those Maya who still follow the calendar aren't particularly worried either. A new era begins but it'll probably have as much effect on them as the "dawning of the age of aquarius" had on the western world.

The really sad part is we've got over four years more to go of constant discussion about it. This is gonna be more annoying than y2k.

I have it on the best of authority that the world will end - if calculated in our present calendar system. On April 13th 749,002, at 1432 (Greenich time) When a guy named Fred accidently turns on a planet destroying Vectron ray.

[edit on 20/11/08 by Hanslune]

yes there were many interesting things happening around 3114 bc-- quite a few major 'firsts' for us humans

Originally posted by Hanslune
These division have no influence, power or importance-except to the Maya.

I disagree- And of course you're speaking for yourself here.

Now the next step is to claim that this calendar somehow indicates important dates for reasons outside measuring time. There is no evidence for that belief.

Something like that... and actually I think there is.

Sure, the calendar has nothing to do with magic or the controlling of historical events, it has no measurable affect on reality- of course this is true. And yes there have been some colorful interpretations of what this calendar was meant to keep track of...

However, I disagree with you that this calendar was only used to measure time in a linear sense... it, along with the step pyramids (9 steps-9 underworlds) maps out the divine plan of creation as believed by the Maya - this according to Calleman who I choose to agree with.

It's a spiritual calendar- a guide for living life according to the divine energies of that particular day- this according to the Maya

We agree it had spiritual and religious meaning to the Maya. But those beliefs have no effect on others or the rest of the world. Its a cultural parameter they created (or adopted from others). It has meaning to them and might even cause them to make certain decisions.

If I create a calendar that I say starts in 1916 and will terminate tomorrow. What influence does that have on you?

You would be right to snort and laught at the concept.

How about if a few million people also followed that calendar...any difference?

Er, so what was so special about 3114 say vs 3113 and 3115? Seriously