Greetings fellow members.

I was not sure where to post this, but i assumed here, any mod may move if needed.

I know this is something of which, I'm quite certain, all members have succumbed to;death. Death in ones family or circle of freinds, is a fragile time, a time where ones true self can sometimes glow, or when one can lose site of all faith. Death is something which I have experienced as a child, an experience i was too young to comprehend;ignorance is bliss, as they would say, i wish i was young, i wish i could be ignorant to death.

One of my grandparents commited suicide on monday, and another as i was told today, is about to part in a couple of days. They were/are both old. The one who commited suicide was actually my a cousin of my grandfathers, nonetheless, he was close. He was an honourable military man, a true Sikh, his dignity was worth more than his life. Sadly, blindness was touching his turban closer than the hairs on his head, of this he could not fathom;to have his children/grandchildren see and take care of him in such a state was a detriment to his character, he would have rather taken his own life, then let a pathetic aillness do so. So, he did. He died from his own will, but his own will. He died in honour, dignity and repsect. I can do nothing but respect his will. My other grandfather is my mothers father, he's old, vigilant and proud, proud of being a bastard, but he's damn proud of it ! He's never said happy-bday to any of this children/grandchildren, nor will he ever, it was his thing, a thing which we respected. I could go no more about it, but it would take much time and effort. Why I'm not too sad about his oncoming death ? Easy, he phoned me 3 weeks ago to ask how I was doing, he asked if I was alright, and need some food. My parents had gone away and I was homealone. He was the last person one would accept to show that sort of compassion. I knew right away, his time had come. So i've come to accept it.

Is it right for me to accept it, or do i accept it becuase it's the only way i feel like i can cope with this situation, i'm confused. Though i feel hurt, i feel as if i am obligated to feel this hurt, i don't want to hurt, so do i shade it with a stern character ? I may sound like a hyopcrite now, sorry, i guess i'm still a kid.

Thanks.

: )

Deep

We are more than our bodies. Intelligence does not come from the bodies we wear. Life is more than just the animation of gooey chemical digestion.

The part of us that is truly alive is the spirit. It is the seed of intellect, the germ of individuality, and the source of the power that we call thought. That part of us cannot die. The flesh that it rides on can decay, get disease, and can suffer all sorts of things.

That should be a lesson enough to you that the flesh is not the life at all, but rather the container for it. If you are a Sikh, then please explain to me what your faith teaches about life after death.

Why worry about death? The only ones who worry about the destruction of the body are those that require it for their strength. When their bodies die, so does the rest of them. Those with spirit don't ever die at all, they just move higher and higher into the spheres of heaven.

Death should never be a cause for sadness by relatives, but I know it always is. When my grandfather died, I was not sad at all, His spirit was so strong in me that I never felt his absense. God bless his soul! He even communicated to me after he died - I will tell you a funny story.

I was in the bathroom one day, and my ear really started to itch. I was thinking about my grandfather all day, and because I knew that sometimes spirits could speak, I asked him quite plainly to look in my ear and tell me what he saw.

To my amazment, I received a very clear telepathic response - It was my grandfather's voice, and he said matter-of-factly "You have a chunk of wax 'this' big." And I then had a vision of his fingers showing me how big it was.

Amazed, I found it a few moments later, exactly as he described. Such was my confmirmation of the continuation fo intelligence after we quit the body. What need for sadness and dispair is there?

Arkaleus

Thanks,

Though i would not ask of my grandfathers to examine my ear, nor could a i surmise what to ask them exactly, i am going through this well. I had posted this last night, and of since, due to some good freinds, whom don't know of the situation, have oddly apeared at my doorstep for no good reasons, ones on his way over right now.

Death in Sikhism, is either, a) One is thrown back into the continual cycle of birth-death, or b) One merges with the creator. This is far as my knowledge goes, i'm not a practicing Sikh, moreorless, my character leans towards partical Buddhism.

Deep

No matter how hard we convince ourselves that death is another step in the journey of life, or that someone's time has come, or that the person is in a "better place," we will still feel sorrow.

You are still just a kid, no one will reach the point of maturation until their own lives end. Because we will always feel sorrow, even if something is right.

Much love ZeroDeep

[Edited on 9-11-04 by Scat]

I wish people in my familly and friends would understand me when I'll chose to leave, but I doubt they will.

There always comes a point where you just accept death as a part of life.

I think you are just showing a lot of maturity, and maybe a deeper understanding of life than many people. Much respect bro.

First of all you have the right to feel all kind of things right now and let the hurt come out, you also have the right to morn for your family member that are not longer with you.

Bringing these feelings out and here in this post is a good way to deal with your lost.

Like others had said death is just another stage in our lives depending of your religious beliefs.

Death should not be something to fear but to be accepted.

I can see you are very mature and you will be fine.

baked,

That post is very beatiful, you will do great as a health care provider, sometimes caring for other is something that people are born to do.

Your grandparents are honourable people. They have lived for many years with those beliefs. No matter what we think, it is their choice and if you accept that, you will be able to accept their deaths. It is, as so many people have said, what they wanted.