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emergency medical team at the pentagon

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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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"You are the one that gave the direct order to shoot down a plane that you were told as it turns out incorrectly was headed for Washington".
"Right. That's correct"
Quoted verbatim. Try listening first instead of being so eager to debunk.




posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by Reheat
 

"You are the one that gave the direct order to shoot down a plane that you were told as it turns out incorrectly was headed for Washington".
"Right. That's correct"
Quoted verbatim. Try listening first instead of being so eager to debunk.


You still have NO CLUE what that means. It merely means that the Andrews pilot were given authorization to shoot it down. Listen to the rest of the interview if you still don't understand. It's explained if you understand the words...

There were NEVER fighters within 100 miles of UA 93. If you disagree then you need to prove there were fighters even close enough to pick it up on radar, let alone shoot it down...



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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The pentagon was built with reinforced concrete.
What's wrong with that?



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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Have you had a read through this?:

Pentagon Building Performance Report

Just saying "re-enforced concrete" is insufficient. Since, in reality, the design of a building is usually to give it strength vertically, for support....not so much laterally.

And, the "re-enforced concrete" meme seems to apply mostly to the individual support columns (they were/are about 14" square).

There's a lot to read there, and of a very technical nature.....speaks to engineers and architects in building design and construction.

But in essence, the common misconception of the Pentagon having some sort of "impenetrable" wall is clearly at work, in many of the "conspiracy" monger websites over all these years.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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There were no shoot down orders issued until after UA 93 crashed.

The Vice President is not part of the NCA and is therefore not authorized to issue shoot down orders, and any such orders coming from him will be ignored, and were.

And they knew that.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Legal or not the Andrews' fighters thought they had authorization. I agree that the NORAD Langley fighters did not. This issue has already been beaten to death with JMD3100, but it is off topic here. I see no reason to discuss it here anyway as it is not clear when "legal orders" were issued. I will not argue the point here as it serves no purpose....



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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Well, in any case, any 'admission' by Cheney he gave (illegal) shoot down orders are meaningless if it is known that (A) he only gave them after UA 93 crashed and (B) he had no authority to issue such orders anyway.


Most striking of all is the revelation that an order by Vice President Dick Cheney was ignored by the military, which saw his order to shoot down aircraft as outside the chain of command. Instead of acknowledging the order to shoot down civilian aircraft and carrying it out, NORAD ordered fighters to confirm aircraft tail numbers first and report back for further instructions.

Cheney’s order was given at “about 10:15″ a.m., according to the former VP’s memoirs, but the 9/11 Commission Report shows United flight 93 going down at 10:06 a.m.


Source

Whose orders were those fighters you mention following?



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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I for one do not think it was a plane that damaged the Pentagon and murdered 125 people. For me that was a deep cut as an American and the most insulting act on 911.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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And the EMT who was there, mentioned in the OP, disagrees with you. As do all people who were there (save perhaps Gallop and Kwiatkowski), not to mention the people who went inside and were permanently traumatized.

Most Pentagon no planerism is rooted in 'intuitive physics', that is, people who think their 'gut feeling' or 'rule of thumb' substitutes for an actual physics education. People who think all you need to know about physics is what you 'learn' from a playing a game of pool, going to an amusement park, hitting a lamp post while parking or shooting a gun.
edit on 5-1-2012 by snowcrash911 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by snowcrash911

Whose orders were those fighters you mention following?


Cheney's via the Secret Service. The Andrews' fighters were not operating under NORAD until much later well after they launched. (Which was a problem within itself.) IIRC the Andrews fighters were capping low and the Langley fighters were capping high. I'd have to review the radar and ATC records to determine exactly when the 2 Andrews' fighters launched. The Langley fighters were on station over DC by 10:00 EDT and I believe the Andrews' fighters were there just before or shortly afterward. I do recall for a fact that the Andrews single fighter (very short on fuel) flew over the Pentagon and a short distance NW while the Langley fighters were were overhead. However, he was very short on fuel and landed back at Andrews shortly after he went just a few miles NW. UA 93 would have arrived over DC at about 10:20 EDT. Again, it is not appropriate to discuss this here...



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by antar
I for one do not think it was a plane that damaged the Pentagon and murdered 125 people. For me that was a deep cut as an American and the most insulting act on 911.


Any claim you make needs to be accompanied by evidence. Got any?



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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No passenger planes crashed on 9/11.
Fakery is the name of the 9/11 game.

www.cluesforum.info
www.septemberclues.info



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by pshea38
(spam snipped)


SPAM.

The antidote.
edit on 5-1-2012 by snowcrash911 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by TheMindWar
It doesnt matter if they used a missile or an aircraft, what happened on 9/11 was an American coup. The very office of the missing two trillion dollars was hit, go figure.

The pentagon attack was done just to stamp thier authority on the US military, and was probably done by no more than a hundred dedicated people.


You have just taken that from some conspiracy site and swallowed it uncritically.

If you were to seriously look into the facts you would find that most of the casualties in the Pentagon were Navy personnel and the Army personnel were working on Army budget statements for fiscal year 2001.

Nobody was looking for 2 trillion dollars.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:30 AM
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The pentagon was built with reinforced concrete.


The floors are concrete, the support columns are concrete

The walls are brick with the outer (E Ring) wall having a facade overlay of cut limestone



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Regarding this issue of plane/missle at the Pentagon, I just cannot understand why, with all the surveillance camera's in and around the worlds biggest military headquarters, more video footage of the incident is not released - if nothing else to put the questions to rest.

Really? The footage all snapped up and under lock and key? No FOIA? Why?

That issue alone seems to be enough to question the 'story' as it is being told.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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No FOIA?


Everything on video that was acquired to be examined WAS subsequently all released, under the FOIA.

Claim: "FBI Hides 84 Pentagon Videos"

Truth:


The list of 85 videos
Five videotapes were recovered from the post-attack Pentagon crime scene and submitted to the FBI Laboratory in Quantico.

13 videos were obtained by the Defense Protective Services (DPS) - Pentagon Police - on 9/25/2001 from individual filming Pentagon site from Boundary Channel Drive. These included footage from the WTC site in the days after the attcks.

One (1) Beta video tape - interviews in NYC
One (1) DVCAM tape labeled "Twin Towers, World Trade Center" - NYC/WTC
One (1) DVCAM tape - suburban setting, unknown individuals, dated 9/12-13
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/21-22
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/22-23
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC 9/23
One (1) DVCAM tape - interviews in NYC; 10 seconds of Pentagon footage, but not crash site
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
8 videos were received on 10/11/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected during consent search of residence in Avanel, New Jersey. Pending case on subject.
One (1) damaged Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
Videos received on 10/15/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected from surveillance cameras at multiple Kinko's in South Florida.
One (1) TDK 1-160 VHS video tape
One (1) VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
Video received on 10/22/2001 at Quantico. This video was recovered from garbage at residenced in Neenah, Wisconsin by the Neenah Police Department. Investigation on suspect has been closed.
One (1) damaged VHS video tape and housing
Received at Washington Field Office Command Post
These two video tapes included footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene taken by DOD media pool photographers, and were obtained from Navy Rear Admiral Craig Quigley.
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "1 of 2" & "early 6pm 9/11/01"
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "2 of 2" & "early pm 9/11/01"
Also received at the Washington Field Office Command Post:
One (1) VHS video cassette - witness interviews near Pentagon after the attack
One (1) VHS video cassette, labeled "9/11/2001" - footage of post Pentagon crime scene, obtained from Chief Mastin, Prince William County
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video casette, wrapped in Pentagon map and labeled on back "1/29/1952 Mohan Shresesa 8/2/2018 Todoroki Japan 9/17/01 3:00 hr Fern/So. Rotary" - Home video taken from car, dated 9/17/2001,showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene very briefly from road (~10 seconds)
One (1) FujiFilm DP121 video cassette, labeled "WJLA-TV" - miscellaneous footage from news reporter, dated 9/18/2001
One (1) Sony MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video, DC sightseeing
One (1) TDK HG Ultimate TC-30 video cassette - Home video, unknown date, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Maxell DVM60SE mini digital video cassette - Home video, dated 9/17/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Sony Hi8 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/11/2001 showing ~6 seconds of Pentagon footage (not crash site)
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene
One (1) JVC MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
Videos filmed on 9/26/2001 by FBI Forensic Audio-Visual Analysis Unit (FAVIAU) of post-crash Pentagon crime scene.
One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, under cover of communication dated 2/19/2002, all depicting WTC footage.
One (1) Betacam video tape
One (1) HDCAM video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape......


(GO to the link, and read the rest....the above ^ ^ ^ is incomplete, since I was running out of characters in this post....)



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by thedman
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The pentagon was built with reinforced concrete.


The floors are concrete, the support columns are concrete

The walls are brick with the outer (E Ring) wall having a facade overlay of cut limestone


Reinforced.

Reinforced concrete.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by snowcrash911

Originally posted by thedman
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The pentagon was built with reinforced concrete.

The floors are concrete, the support columns are concrete
The walls are brick with the outer (E Ring) wall having a facade overlay of cut limestone

Reinforced.
Reinforced concrete.


All "reinforced" means in terms of concrete is that there are steel elements (bars of varying dimensions) in the concrete that allow the structure to hold greater loads or resist greater stresses then it would if the steel were not in the concrete. The reinforcing does not make a concrete structure any more resistant to something like impact forces. Now there are stronger and harder concretes out there like silica fume concrete but that wasn't used in the Pentagon.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by cydonia19.5
he told me that he found body parts and had photos of the 757 wreckage


This sounds in my Opinion very dangerous for him and his Family,
don't harm yourself with useless Postings



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