I am curious as to what paradox you have entertained. Would you mind sharing?
Anxious Philosophy, page 1
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 03:14 PM by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by ronnabs
No, I do not mind sharing. It was Zeno's dichotomy paradox which states:
Now, this paradox isn't really what I would consider "shocking" but it definitely changed my way of thinking. I used to play video games and I found out through study that a character in a 3rd person or 1st person video game does not actually move but, in fact, stays still and has the animation of movement. What really happens is that the world or Universe moves itself around the character instead of the Universe being fixed and the character moving on it.
I correlated that to real life. I also use the theory that everything in the Universe is simply a manifestation of your own perception. So, when I read this, I started to walk around ponder. As I did this, I suddenly no longed felt my body but instead I felt what I could describe as the whole Universe. I did not feel me moving any more, I just felt the whole Universe moving around me. I felt also that the Universe wasn't doing this on its own but that I was controlling it through my own perception. I felt the experience of "moving forward" which triggered my subconscious into manifesting the Universe to appear as though I was moving when really it was moving "towards me".
Any way, I feel kind of like a looney.
No, I do not mind sharing. It was Zeno's dichotomy paradox which states:
Suppose Homer wants to catch a stationary bus. Before he can get there, he must get halfway there. Before he can get halfway there, he must get a quarter of the way there. Before traveling a quarter, he must travel one-eighth; before an eighth, one-sixteenth; and so on.
The resulting sequence can be represented as:
{..., 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1}
This description requires one to complete an infinite number of tasks, which Zeno maintains is an impossibility.
This sequence also presents a second problem in that it contains no first distance to run, for any possible (finite) first distance could be divided in half, and hence would not be first after all. Hence, the trip cannot even begin. The paradoxical conclusion then would be that travel over any finite distance can neither be completed nor begun, and so all motion must be an illusion.
This argument is called the Dichotomy because it involves repeatedly splitting a distance into two parts. It contains some of the same elements as the Achilles and the Tortoise paradox, but with a more apparent conclusion of motionlessness. It is also known as the Race Course paradox. Some, like Aristotle, regard the Dichotomy as really just another version of Achilles and the Tortoise.[10]
There are two versions of the dichotomy paradox. In the other version, before Homer could reach the stationary bus, he must reach half of the distance to it. Before reaching the last half, he must complete the next quarter of the distance. Reaching the next quarter, he must then cover the next eighth of the distance, then the next sixteenth, and so on. There are thus an infinite number of steps that must first be accomplished before he could reach the bus, with no way to establish the size of any "last" step. Expressed this way, the dichotomy paradox is very much analogous to that of Achilles and the tortoise.
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Now, this paradox isn't really what I would consider "shocking" but it definitely changed my way of thinking. I used to play video games and I found out through study that a character in a 3rd person or 1st person video game does not actually move but, in fact, stays still and has the animation of movement. What really happens is that the world or Universe moves itself around the character instead of the Universe being fixed and the character moving on it.
I correlated that to real life. I also use the theory that everything in the Universe is simply a manifestation of your own perception. So, when I read this, I started to walk around ponder. As I did this, I suddenly no longed felt my body but instead I felt what I could describe as the whole Universe. I did not feel me moving any more, I just felt the whole Universe moving around me. I felt also that the Universe wasn't doing this on its own but that I was controlling it through my own perception. I felt the experience of "moving forward" which triggered my subconscious into manifesting the Universe to appear as though I was moving when really it was moving "towards me".
Any way, I feel kind of like a looney.
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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:21 PM by absolutely
reply to post by ErroneousDylan
what u dont seem to realize is that everything and anything objective is in multiple different dimension existing according to its reality level in truth superiority
reality is always still but the fact that it is not one, make the free move possible in absolute superior sense objectivity, that can b done subjectively as well
freedom is what exist bc it is the base of truth realizations
what is free by definition is not related to anything so always a plus, while never objective but always an add value to objective facts giving an objective reality sense to facts
when freedom is truth reason then freedom reason is truth too, so there is always a free objective perspective at different level, and only what looks freely superior could b used as an objective abstraction to move truly present forward within urself mind freedom
like i said there are many different realities still levels, while any object even the most appearant useless or wrong one could be seen how it belongs to highest true reality still freedom
i would reject totally the paradoxe u mentionned, from what even in inferior objective perspective, truth there is present one, so things can move according to same identification, no matter the distance
which is surely related to living sense and existence sense that everyone is familiar with and enjoy the free sense out of it
like in nature she is one by being the superior once she realize positive objective
in god he is one by being the positive once he realize superior objective
it is always about them only so a lot of humans and us all are forced to be also of that subjectively existing or living and out of gods existence and life we are free aware
that is why anyone can talk about gods bc they are out of them
while humans should break that oness since it is to gods and they are out of it aware
what u dont seem to realize is that everything and anything objective is in multiple different dimension existing according to its reality level in truth superiority
reality is always still but the fact that it is not one, make the free move possible in absolute superior sense objectivity, that can b done subjectively as well
freedom is what exist bc it is the base of truth realizations
what is free by definition is not related to anything so always a plus, while never objective but always an add value to objective facts giving an objective reality sense to facts
when freedom is truth reason then freedom reason is truth too, so there is always a free objective perspective at different level, and only what looks freely superior could b used as an objective abstraction to move truly present forward within urself mind freedom
like i said there are many different realities still levels, while any object even the most appearant useless or wrong one could be seen how it belongs to highest true reality still freedom
i would reject totally the paradoxe u mentionned, from what even in inferior objective perspective, truth there is present one, so things can move according to same identification, no matter the distance
which is surely related to living sense and existence sense that everyone is familiar with and enjoy the free sense out of it
like in nature she is one by being the superior once she realize positive objective
in god he is one by being the positive once he realize superior objective
it is always about them only so a lot of humans and us all are forced to be also of that subjectively existing or living and out of gods existence and life we are free aware
that is why anyone can talk about gods bc they are out of them
while humans should break that oness since it is to gods and they are out of it aware
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:25 PM by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by angellicview
Yes, I agree that the paradox itself holds no alarming truths to me. However, I have read some philosophical theories that state that "we are God", "all is One", and "all is God", those kind of things. So, to me, it would prove more evidence to the fact that maybe I am God. There is no real God-like figure (and I don't mean as in Christianity, I just mean a Universal force that could perhaps listen and intervene) other than me. I have created this Universe for myself because I am God. I have manifested everything in this Universe and perceive it the way I do because I am God.
Of course, that is just a crazy sounding theory, but it is certainly expanding my consciousness.
Yes, I agree that the paradox itself holds no alarming truths to me. However, I have read some philosophical theories that state that "we are God", "all is One", and "all is God", those kind of things. So, to me, it would prove more evidence to the fact that maybe I am God. There is no real God-like figure (and I don't mean as in Christianity, I just mean a Universal force that could perhaps listen and intervene) other than me. I have created this Universe for myself because I am God. I have manifested everything in this Universe and perceive it the way I do because I am God.
Of course, that is just a crazy sounding theory, but it is certainly expanding my consciousness.
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:39 PM by NorEaster
reply to post by ErroneousDylan
Philosophy is mental/conceptual masturbation. Yeah, it does help you get your thinker together for some real application effort, but it doesn't really do anything but prepare you for actual intellectual achievement.
Problem solving, involving philosophical issues and matters of the nature of reality, is philosophy taken out of the solo preparation stages and applying that (hopefully, well exercised) critical analysis to the larger questions of determining what is real, what is plausible and most important, what is simply foolishness concerning what sits beneath the perceptions of humanity as a whole and provides a foundation for that perception.
Tossing about esoteric assertions that intermittently tumble out of your head as if they're true epiphanies is fun, but like masturbation, nothing's going to ever develop as a result. That said, what could possibly be scary about playing with existence-within-a-vacuum conceptual potentials? Just don't post any of it on YouTube, claiming that you've just solved an eternal riddle and you'll be fine.
Philosophy is mental/conceptual masturbation. Yeah, it does help you get your thinker together for some real application effort, but it doesn't really do anything but prepare you for actual intellectual achievement.
Problem solving, involving philosophical issues and matters of the nature of reality, is philosophy taken out of the solo preparation stages and applying that (hopefully, well exercised) critical analysis to the larger questions of determining what is real, what is plausible and most important, what is simply foolishness concerning what sits beneath the perceptions of humanity as a whole and provides a foundation for that perception.
Tossing about esoteric assertions that intermittently tumble out of your head as if they're true epiphanies is fun, but like masturbation, nothing's going to ever develop as a result. That said, what could possibly be scary about playing with existence-within-a-vacuum conceptual potentials? Just don't post any of it on YouTube, claiming that you've just solved an eternal riddle and you'll be fine.
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:44 PM by NorEaster
Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by angellicview
I have created this Universe for myself because I am God. I have manifested everything in this Universe and perceive it the way I do because I am God.
Really? Did you know that I was here all along? And if not, then what kind of god are you that I can hide from you so successfully? And if you believe that I didn't exist until you read this post of mine, then what kind of pathetic god are you that I can suddenly appear and insult you like that? Not much of a god, as far as I can tell.
Just making a point here. Frankly, you can be your own god if you want. Who cares. As long as your kingdom stays the hell off my lawn I don't care what you conjure up.
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:46 PM by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by NorEaster
Well, I suppose it is different when you assume your masturbation result is reality as opposed to just a theory haha. I feel too that maybe one could find some bit of enlightenment through philosophy, but I agree that if you obsess over it, it will just be for the effort of intellect.
Well, I suppose it is different when you assume your masturbation result is reality as opposed to just a theory haha. I feel too that maybe one could find some bit of enlightenment through philosophy, but I agree that if you obsess over it, it will just be for the effort of intellect.
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:50 PM by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by NorEaster
Well, I never claimed that being "God" (or more or less, the creator of my reality) would entitle my consciousness to be all-knowing. Perhaps, I do know everything but I am just not aware of it. I mean, if I was God, you would think that I would know I was God as well. I feel like it is kind of a case of amnesia, if the theory were correct. Of course, how does a God go from being "God" to a naive individual, clueless to all in this Universe.
Well, I never claimed that being "God" (or more or less, the creator of my reality) would entitle my consciousness to be all-knowing. Perhaps, I do know everything but I am just not aware of it. I mean, if I was God, you would think that I would know I was God as well. I feel like it is kind of a case of amnesia, if the theory were correct. Of course, how does a God go from being "God" to a naive individual, clueless to all in this Universe.
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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:51 PM by absolutely
reply to post by NorEaster
what is weird is how everyone mean to care a lot about the whole existence with its tiniest details forms that confirm it and put so much effort on those guesses will to what is beyond the whole known coming from such tiny point, while clearly they never care the least about their existence facts, do that prove them liars? no i didnt say it
what is weird is how everyone mean to care a lot about the whole existence with its tiniest details forms that confirm it and put so much effort on those guesses will to what is beyond the whole known coming from such tiny point, while clearly they never care the least about their existence facts, do that prove them liars? no i didnt say it
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:59 PM by absolutely
reply to post by ErroneousDylan
if u r god then u killed god, the problem is what u never mean what u say, that is how ur conclusions are always lies while truth is clearly of what u say too without u knowing it
when u r speaking freely you cant b but of truth use there u r manipulated by truth
if u r god then u killed god, the problem is what u never mean what u say, that is how ur conclusions are always lies while truth is clearly of what u say too without u knowing it
when u r speaking freely you cant b but of truth use there u r manipulated by truth
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 05:10 PM by NorEaster
Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by ronnabs
No, I do not mind sharing. It was Zeno's dichotomy paradox which states:
Suppose Homer wants to catch a stationary bus. Before he can get there, he must get halfway there. Before he can get halfway there, he must get a quarter of the way there. Before traveling a quarter, he must travel one-eighth; before an eighth, one-sixteenth; and so on.
The resulting sequence can be represented as:
{..., 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1}
This description requires one to complete an infinite number of tasks, which Zeno maintains is an impossibility.
This sequence also presents a second problem in that it contains no first distance to run, for any possible (finite) first distance could be divided in half, and hence would not be first after all. Hence, the trip cannot even begin. The paradoxical conclusion then would be that travel over any finite distance can neither be completed nor begun, and so all motion must be an illusion.
This argument is called the Dichotomy because it involves repeatedly splitting a distance into two parts. It contains some of the same elements as the Achilles and the Tortoise paradox, but with a more apparent conclusion of motionlessness. It is also known as the Race Course paradox. Some, like Aristotle, regard the Dichotomy as really just another version of Achilles and the Tortoise.[10]
There are two versions of the dichotomy paradox. In the other version, before Homer could reach the stationary bus, he must reach half of the distance to it. Before reaching the last half, he must complete the next quarter of the distance. Reaching the next quarter, he must then cover the next eighth of the distance, then the next sixteenth, and so on. There are thus an infinite number of steps that must first be accomplished before he could reach the bus, with no way to establish the size of any "last" step. Expressed this way, the dichotomy paradox is very much analogous to that of Achilles and the tortoise.
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This paradox is nothing more than a perception error concerning the true nature of corporeal reality. In fact, it's a really good example of why space, distance, material, and the staples of traditional physics are impossible to fully defend. Time exists, but it exists as a result of indivisible units of change arranged in logically/historically associated event trajectories, with each single unit of "now" gathering as lengths of time in the form of linear trajectories. Being sophisticated and extremely complex "matrixed" event trajectories (featuring both linear and redundant event trajectories in survival-imperative associations that prolong the existence of each unit within each trajectory via logical identity proxy) we humans have decided that we are actually material, and that everything that we perceive as resembling us in any manner is also material.
The tiniest manifestations of this perception imposition is the hyper-analyzed sub-atomic particle. We've declared it to be the literal brick that bases our material world, and we're spending billions to try to prove this by smashing these isolated matrixed event trajectories together - trying to find the smallest and most primordial particle of all - and have come up empty every time. That's because the particle, and the notion of distances and such, are not based on material existence. They're based on event units - each uniform and indivisible - and the nature of progressive development in service of the imperative survival. There are no 1/2, 1/4 distances. Think event units.
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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 06:12 PM by absolutely
reply to post by ErroneousDylan
u dont believe truth, believing is to truth as admitting that if time exist somwhere then it exist everywhere since only what is true exist and only truth is objective present always fact
like for instance i could say, that what u mean being in three dimension, u r not perceiving time existence through bc u r looking at as urself so u r not seeing its superior reality,
while time in that reality exist much more then in superior dimension, even if it is not an absolute one time present but it is all times according to individuals ones belonging, from the wide range of opposition between past forever and futur forever
u dont believe truth, believing is to truth as admitting that if time exist somwhere then it exist everywhere since only what is true exist and only truth is objective present always fact
like for instance i could say, that what u mean being in three dimension, u r not perceiving time existence through bc u r looking at as urself so u r not seeing its superior reality,
while time in that reality exist much more then in superior dimension, even if it is not an absolute one time present but it is all times according to individuals ones belonging, from the wide range of opposition between past forever and futur forever
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