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Glaxo-Smith-Kline Fined For Killing Babies (Wait till you hear the price tag.)

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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 02:28 AM
if your baby was killed by a pharmaceutical company, is it justifiable to fly to london england, the global headquarters of glaxo, wait for the ceo to step outside his office and stick a knife in his throat.

some people would argue that's justice, a life for life.

$6,630 plus change per baby is not justice.

but it is enough for a plane ticket and a hotel stay.

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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 02:32 AM
The only time I would ever support the death penalty, is with horrid war crimes, or systematic cruelty or heinous abuse involving extreme torture or death. I wouldn't even apply it to serial murderers, because they're usually tormented and very ill, and I don't believe in executing someone who is ill.

However, the mechanical nature of literally killing babies for profit is on scale with ritual human sacrifice. Matter of fact, it seems like this is how the world operates, whenever we want a brand new drug or piece of technology to help us all, then many people are brought to an altar and laid to waste for it. Whether it's killing thousands of animals for a skin creme, or sacrificing babies for a crap drug.

Worth it?

These people should be put down.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 03:04 AM
I am absolutely appalled and disgusted by this!!

I am ABSOLUTELY boycotting ANY and ALL GSK products!

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 03:24 AM
reply to post by aaron2209

Where there is smoke there is fire! Even if their product cause the death of ONE child it is one TOO many!! They are big enough to sway any investigation!

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 04:07 AM
This is the most disgusting thing I've seen... in a long time. I realize these types of grotesque acts occur on a regular basis, much of which the masses are unbeknownst to; but in this case they're caught red-handed --- and a 93k fine??

I would like to see those with ties to this convicted & imprisoned for LIFE at the very LEAST. This is no joke. I honestly would not be objected to the death-penalty for those at the top in this case. I can't believe I'm reading this.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 04:10 AM
This is why we need fewer and fewer regulations. With less regulations GSK can kill American babies and not have to pay a dime so there will be no reason to complain about how small the fine was. Or maybe with fewer regulations here, they will kill fewer babies out of kindness over there? Either way, greedy corporations are regulated far too much. They should never have to pay for the babies they kill. They need to be profitable to create jobs.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 04:32 AM
reply to post by CousinMarylin

Spot on, those babies are better off dead than growing up in this forsaken world anyways, so Glaxo was actually helping them. What kind of world do we live in where people get fined for HELPING?! Those fines are going to cripple job growth and employment. Gee, thanks.

In all seriousness, this is really screwed up. 93k for killing 14 babies, how ever will they come back from such a hefty fine... I don't think jail or death is a fair sentence; the people conducting and condoning this kind of behavior should be stripped of their wealth and their company should be dismantled. Let's face it, in any actual trial they might get sentenced to maybe 6 years in white-collar prison. When they get out they will be still be filthy rich.

The most critical place to strike a pig of this sort is his bank. Distribute their wealth amongst the people whose lives they have thrown into complete upheaval with their medical experiments.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:00 AM
The list of evil corporations continues to grow. It seems that this is big business as usual. All the big corporations operate this way, regardless of the product. They go to a helpless third world community and make a bunch of promises that their products are beneficial and that they are helping to make thing better, when all along that is the exact opposite of the truth.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:28 AM
Here's some more information that I found at The Beunos Aires Herald:

GlaxoSmithKline Argentina Laboratories company was fined 400,000 pesos by Judge Marcelo Aguinsky following a report issued by the National Administration of Medicine, Food and Technology (ANMAT in Spanish) for the killing of 14 babies during illegal lab vaccine trials conducted between 2007 and 2008.

Likewise, two doctors -Héctor Abate, and Miguel Tregnaghi- were fined with 300,000 pesos each for irregularities during the studies.

The charges included experimenting with human beings, falsifying parental authorizations so babies could participate in vaccine-trials conducted by the laboratory from 2007 to 2008.

Since 2007, 15,000 children under the age of one from Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago del Estero have been included in the research protocol, a statement of what the study is trying to achieve. Babies were recruited from poor families that attended to public hospitals.

A total of 7 babies died in Santiago del Estero; 5 in Mendoza; and 2 in San JuanPediatrician Ana Marchese, who reported the case through the Argentine Federation of Health Professionals (FESPROSA in Spanish), and was working at the Eva Perón children's public hospital in Santiago del Estero when the studies wee being conducted, said this morning in conversations with Continental AM radio that “GSK Argentina set an protocol at the hospital, and recruited several doctors working there.”

“These doctors took advantage of many illiterate parents whom take their children for treatment by pressuring and forcing them into signing these 28-page consent forms and getting them involved in the trials.”

“Laboratories can't experiment in Europe or the United States, so they come to do it in third-world countries."

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:29 AM
“Laboratories can't experiment in Europe or the United States, so they come to do it in third-world countries"

That's the gist of this story right here.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:32 AM
And here's how this scheme operated:

Once a picked patient arrived, it would automatically disappear to be taken somewhere else in order to be treated by those doctors specially recruited by GSK. These kind of practices are not legal and occurred without any type of state control, plus they don’t comply with minimum ethical requirements.”

Marchese also remembered that “laboratory trials on human beings are not legalized in Argentina.”

Furthermore, the pediatrician explained that “it is also known that in various particular cases, the doctors who had conducted the trials did not answer the calls made by the worried parents after witnessing their babies’ reactions to the vaccines.”

According to Marchese, “there already exist very good vaccines for the same diseases, but we all know how laboratories work, they only care for their own business.”

To end, Doctor Marchese aimed to Santiago del Estero Governor, Gerardo Zamora, who “never ever came out to stage to comment on the case, and same happened with national deputies and senators that didn’t even bother into discussing a hot topic that was echoed worldwide. I’m also ashamed of the scientific community that also kept its mouth shut.”

Julieta Ovejero, great aunt of one of the six babies who died in Santiago del Estero, said that “A lot of people wanted to leave the protocol but they weren’t allowed; they forced them to continue under the threat that if they leave they won't receive any other vaccine.”

During 2008, the vaccine trial was still ongoing despite the reports issued by FESPROSA, and those in charge of the study told reporters that the procedures were being carried out in a lawful manner.

On the contrary, the ruling states that the laboratory as well the involved doctors broke all legal requirements for conducting clinical tests on babies.

Surprisingly, during same year pediatrician Enrique Smith, one of the lead investigators told reporters: “Only 12 have died throughout the country, which is a very low figure if we compare it with the deaths produced by respiratory illnesses caused by the pneumococcal bacteria.”

In Santiago del Estero, one of the country's poorest provinces, the trials were authorized when Enrique's brother, Juan Carlos Smith, was provincial health minister.

According to Fesprosa, “the laboratory paid $8,000 pesos for each child included in the study, but none (of that money) remained in the province that lends the public facilities and the health personnel for the private research.”

GlaxoSmithKline is a global pharmaceutical, biologics, vaccines and consumer healthcare company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It is the world's third-largest pharmaceutical company measured by revenues after Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer.

Ironically, if one visits GlaxoSmithKline Argentina web site it welcomes the reader with a company disclosure that says: “We have a challenging and inspiring mission to improve the quality of human life by enabling people to do more, feel better and live longer."

According to site, Glaxo was originally a baby food manufacturer processing local milk into a baby food by the same name, and founded in Bunnythorpe, New Zealand in 1904. The product was sold in the 1930s under the slogan "Glaxo builds bonny babies".

GlaxoSmithKline Argentina manufacturing 28,333 m2 centre is located in Northern Greater Buenos Aires town of San Fernando.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:59 AM
What is up with the name of this thread? and who wrote the buenosairesherald article?

Both Argentine health officials and London-based GlaxoSmithKline PLC said there are no links between the drug and the deaths of 14 babies who participated in the trials. Argentina’s drug regulator, ANMAT, said in a statement Tuesday that “all of these patients had been given a placebo IQANByzYP_story.html - same link as above through tinyurl becasue ATS can't handle some links.

Glaxo and two researchers working on the trial were fined 1 million pesos ($232,200) by the Argentinean National Administration of Medicine, Food and Technology, the newspaper La Nacion reported today. The agency cited the drugmaker for a lack of documentation of patient records and administration of medicines, breaches of security controls and irregularities in authorization for the children to participate, La Nacion said.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:15 AM
reply to post by aivlas

And you were expecting what????? Glaxo to come out and say they are sorry? That yes, they were at fault?

I don't think so friend.

They are doing some serious PR right now.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:15 AM
And not only that---

They have been FINED.

Found guilty by a court of law.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:40 AM
reply to post by MRuss

Who are ANMAT? what did ANMAT have to do with this case? Who can't read again?
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The agency cited the drugmaker for a lack of documentation of patient records and administration of medicines, breaches of security controls and irregularities in authorization for the children to participate

Argentina’s drug regulator, ANMAT, said in a statement Tuesday that “all of these patients had been given a placebo

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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 01:55 PM
This story has been posted on hundreds of websites by now. You managed to find the few where Glaxo was refuting the claims. Children don't die of placebos. READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE from the country in which this travesty took place. Sure you can cite Glaxo's response if you want, and you can believe that placebos killed these children..but the truth is that Glaxo went into poor countries and used these kids as guinea pigs. You're going to have to research a bit more.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:21 PM
reply to post by MRuss

Response from GSK?

"ANMAT has also concluded that there was no causality between the administration of the vaccine and the deaths that have occurred in the study. We offer our full sympathy to their families."

Looks like that's a response from ANMAT as well, are we going against the people who pretty much brought the case to court in the first place?
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You're going to have to research a bit more.

They have a lot of shady practices way worse than some bodged paper work.
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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 08:56 PM
Just following up with the reply I received from GSK Australia regarding this matter:

Dear Mr xxxxxxx

Thank you for your enquiry. GSK sponsored clinical studies are conducted to the same ethical standards irrespective of where they take place in the world. The studies meet international and national regulatory and legislative requirements and follow the research methodologies outlined in the International Conference on Harmonisation (ICH) Good Clinical Practice guidelines. Moreover, GSK-sponsored clinical studies are conducted in compliance with the principles contained in the World Medical Association Declaration of Helsinki on the Ethical Principles for Medical Research Involving Human Subjects.

More information about how we conduct clinical studies is available in our Corporate Responsibility report. You can find the relevant pages here:

We respectfully disagree with the recent court ruling in favour of ANMAT (the Argentinean National Administration of Medicines, Food and Medical Technology) on the fine issued to GSK regarding the administrative conduct of the COMPAS (Clinical Otitis Media and PneumoniA Study) study in Mendoza, Argentina. The fine issued by ANMAT relates to procedures in place for the COMPAS study in 2007 and 2008. It does not in any way question the safety of the study vaccine, Synflorix™. GSK is initiating an appeal against this ruling to the Supreme Court of Argentina.

We are also very concerned by inaccuracies in the recent media reports stating that the fine relates to the deaths of children during the COMPAS study, which is not the case. We offer our full sympathy to their families. Each of these deaths have been thoroughly and independently investigated, and it has been determined that none of the deaths was related to the vaccine administered during the COMPAS study. ANMAT also has concluded that the deaths were not related to the vaccines administered during the study.

Once again thank you for your enquiry. For more information please visit

Kind regards xxxxxxx

I do find it interesting some of the articles mentioned throughout the thread state that the children that died were in fact given a placebo where as no where does GSK say this in the email.
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posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 12:22 AM
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Study Design: Allocation: Randomized
Endpoint Classification: Safety/Efficacy Study
Intervention Model: Parallel Assignment
Masking: Double Blind (Caregiver, Investigator)
Primary Purpose: Prevention

Hopefully find out when they release the study which the following site states will be in 2012.

y concluye que los resultados "serán publicados durante 2012". udio/ - needs fixing before use - same url as above

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posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 07:00 AM
Double blind study

A double blind trial is when the doctor nor the patient knows who is taking the drug. Only after all the data have been recorded (and in some cases, analysed) do the researchers learn which individuals are which. Performing an experiment in double-blind fashion is a way to lessen the influence of the prejudices and unintentional physical cues on the results (the placebo effect, observer bias, and experimenter's bias). Random assignment of the subject to the experimental or control group is a critical part of double-blind research design. The key that identifies the subjects and which group they belonged to is kept by a third party and not given to the researchers until the study is over.

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