Rick Santorum explains what conservatism really means

And it's not small government!!!

Santorum: "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom or in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world."

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I don't think I like "traditional conservatives". I want the original tradition of the founders back...and Santorum and the rest of the "traditional conservatives" apparently disagree with the founders of this nation.

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Rick Santorum is a flat out liar. Traditional conservatives = neo liberals on most policy decisions, save for social issues. Once again, they're all about power and control over others. They say it themselves!

The real spectrum is freedom vs. tyranny. Unless and until people who buy into these fake labels of what the political and social spectrum really is, wake up, we're stuck spinning our wheels as freedom erodes and power is kept in the hands of a few elites.

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Former military intelligence and CIA case handlers agree with you about Santorum's honesty...

And you're right on the rest. It always strikes me how many legacy democratic positions "republicans" have been willing to adopt on military aggression and big government.

They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom or in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world.

This sounds more like what religious extremists want than what conservatives want. I don't think many conservatives want the government telling them what they can do or even being involved in what consenting adults do in their bedroom.

I bet any "conservative" these days would agree with Santorum. That's the problem. Romney, Newt, and Obama are basically all for the same major policy issues regarding war, spending, and health care. They might say they're not on the campaign, but they vote that way and have been on record supporting the same overall policy regime at one time or another. It's all a continuity of agenda.

Looking at American polotics is a different world!Seeing him and his two gap model looking sons and wife all on the stage smiling and talking about god was hilarious.

In this country it would be suicide to mention God in a campaign.

wtf people, isnt it obvious now???? the filthy rich churchs and megacorporations can simply buy elections!!

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He peaked at the right time in Iowa, now people might actually listen to Howdy Doody , you can actually

hear his poll numbers drop. Flash in the Pan, without a plan.

People at ATS are terrible in understanding political ideologies, especially Conservatism. Rick Santorum is 100% right and if you have ever researched what actual Conservatism is you would not argue with him. The reasons Americans believe that Constitutionalism and laissez – faire is ‘Conservatism’ comes from the fact that the US has never had a real Conservative tradition. We were founded by Liberals of the 18th century which turned into two camps; Liberal populism (Jeffersonian and Jacksonian Democracy) and Whiggism (Industrial Liberalism).

**I would like to make it clear though; Traditionalist Conservative does not equal Neoconservative. Neocons are intellectual descendants of Strauss and Trotsky; Trotsky being the man who called for perpetual revolution. We reject equality, American exceptionalism, and despise large corporations. Santorum is a Neoconservative but at least he understands what Traditionalist Conservatism is, even if he does not subscribe to it completely.**

Traditionalist Conservatives have been the defenders of beliefs ignored by the American Right for being too complex and unnecessary to discuss. They believe in transcendent moral law, hierarchy, organic unity, agrarianism, classicism, and high culture; they oppose individualism, liberalism, modernity, and social progress. Most do not have a favorable opinion of capitalism, especially laissez – faire capitalism, are not strong constitutionalists because they often cite Niccolo Machiavelli or Carl Schmitt, reject liberal democracy and favor social institutions over the state.

Moral laws that develop from the culture of a specific people are to be enforced, regardless of who likes it and of where it is enforced. We (as I am a Traditionalist Conservative) reject secularism, globalization, and public opinion; viewing each as destructive. Social welfare can be acceptable, along with many aspects of Socialism but we instead seek any change in society to be gradual; except in extreme circumstances. Most of us also care not to recite the dogma of human rights, instead viewing it as the religion of the Left:

“One proof of this is its dogmatic character; it cannot be debated. That is why it seems today as unsuitable, as blasphemous, as scandalous to criticize the ideology of human rights as it was earlier to doubt the existence of God. Like every religion, the discussion of human rights seeks to pass off its dogmas as so absolute that one could not discuss them without being extremely, stupid, dishonest, or wicked…(O)ne implicitly places their opponents beyond the pale of humanity, since one cannot fight someone who speaks in the name of humanity while remaining human oneself.”

And we also have a different view of ‘rights’ altogether, criticizing the Left for turning ‘rights’ on its head:

“To respect the dignity of another human being is no longer to respect the respect which he conserves in himself for the moral law; it is today, more and more, to respect the choice that he has made, whatever this choice may be, in the realization of his rights.”

Read the works of G. K. Chesterton, C. S. Lewis, T. S. Eliot, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Russell Kirk, Thomas Carlyle, John Ruskin, Thomas Fleming, J. R. R. Tolkien, Paul Gottfried, Joseph de Maistre, Edmund Burke, Enoch Powell, Benjamin Disraeli, or Alexander Hamilton.

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Originally posted by Drew99GT
And it's not small government!!!

Santorum: "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom or in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world."

You mean with the exception of allowing gays to marry? Or abortion? He even wants states to have the right to ban CONTRACEPTION....WTF do you mean he thinks gov "shouldn't get involved in the bedroom"????

He is BIG GOVERNMENT when it comes to Christian remix of Sharia Law..small government when it comes to progressive issues.

Originally posted by Misoir
People at ATS are terrible in understanding political ideologies, especially Conservatism. Rick Santorum is 100% right and if you have ever researched what actual Conservatism is you would not argue with him.

What? So you think the government should have the ability to regulate everything and anything a private citizen does in their own home? I got news for you brother, that is called TYRANNY. You and Ricky just explained what conservatism really is, and I for one, want nothing to do with it. If you think freedom leads to everyone being gay and then that leads to bestiality or something (that's kind of what you imply), then you're flat out wrong.

Santorum has long opposed the Supreme Court’s 1965 ruling “that invalidated a Connecticut law banning contraception” and has also pledged to completely defund federal funding for contraception if elected president. As he told CaffeinatedThoughts.com editor Shane Vander Hart in October, “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country,” the former Pennsylvania senator explained. “It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

www.dailykos.com...:-Birth-Control-should-be-illegal

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Drew99GT
And it's not small government!!!

Santorum: "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom or in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world."

You mean with the exception of allowing gays to marry? Or abortion? He even wants states to have the right to ban CONTRACEPTION....WTF do you mean he thinks gov "shouldn't get involved in the bedroom"????

He is BIG GOVERNMENT when it comes to Christian remix of Sharia Law..small government when it comes to progressive issues.

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That wasn't me saying that, it was a direct quote from Santorum. He's saying that most people think that to be conservative, it means you're for small government, no regulations, and staying out of other people's lives. Rick is for 1) big government, 2) regulations, and 3) the government getting involved in what people do in their bedrooms. I'm guessing if the porn industry gave him some cash though, he'd look the other way.

You can pass laws all day regulating what people do, whether it's using narcotics, or getting nasty in the bedroom. I got news for you "conservatives": that doesn't stop people from doing what they're naturally going to do! Never has worked, never will. Well, unless you take your "conservatism" to it's natural progression, and that is what widely occurs in Muslim countries where if you don't stop your "bad unmoral (who is anyone to judge the morality of your actions if they don't infringe on others) behavior", they stone you to death or execute you.

And that once again perfectly explains THE REAL political spectrum: it's freedom vs tyranny. It's not conservative vs. liberal; those are bull # co-opted terms used to control people.

Another politician declaring what conservatism is not, but no explanation as to what conservatism is. If Santorum is a conservative, then by definition he is conserving something, it just ain't the Constitution for the United States of America that Santorum is conserving.

Originally posted by Drew99GT

Originally posted by Misoir
What? So you think the government should have the ability to regulate everything and anything a private citizen does in their own home?

No, I do not, because my view is that the state should be so small it cannot actually enforce most its laws. We do not desire the totalitarian state (Rick is not one of us) because it is the creation of Leftist revolutionary, even if it at times has been hijacked by the far – right. But moral laws should be enforced without regard for what anyone says.

I got news for you brother, that is called TYRANNY.

The whole ‘democracy’ and ‘equality’, thing is nothing more than a joke to me, if I am being honest. I would not shed a tear seeing it crushed without mercy by a new order based on transcendent principles.

You and Ricky just explained what conservatism really is, and I for one, want nothing to do with it.

Well to be honest, we do not want you to have anything to do with us. We do not like Libertarians who are nothing more than chirping sectarians breaking down further and further into new groups all crowing for unrestrained liberty where all are free to do whatever they want.

If you think freedom leads to everyone being gay and then that leads to bestiality or something (that's kind of what you imply), then you're flat out wrong.

It promotes homosexuality, not necessarily does it lead to homosexuality. Treating immoral acts, shunned and condemned by all nearly all civilizations throughout history, as respectable lifestyle choices is not what I view as even remotely sane. That is nothing more than a symptom of a larger disorder crippling mankind known as Liberalism.

Also, homosexuality is not the equivalent of bestiality but it is still a mental disorder like schizophrenia. We just cannot discuss it as such because of political correctness. It should have raised a few eyebrows that psychologists quit calling homosexuality a mental disorder in 1972 just as the counterculture was taking control of our popular culture.

Originally posted by Drew99GT
I bet any "conservative" these days would agree with Santorum. That's the problem. Romney, Newt, and Obama are basically all for the same major policy issues regarding war, spending, and health care. They might say they're not on the campaign, but they vote that way and have been on record supporting the same overall policy regime at one time or another. It's all a continuity of agenda.

^ Quotes for truth.

Doesn't matter which team they say they are "playing" for, just different chapter of the same story. The story is called "Enslaving America". For the life of me I don't understand why it is only the folks on ATS that realize this. I mean how obtuse is the general populace to believe that there truly is a 2 party system, that because I'm a D I work for the Ds or if I'm an R I work for the Rs? They all only work for the $s!

Derek

Conservatism is a form of mind control. Control people's mind and then

get then to back policies of naked of greed. Who care what something

was, the bones in a coffin used to be a person, the crap in the litter box

used to be fancy feast.

Alot is written on this site about Radical Muslim's and their evils.

Meh.

What scares the Bejesus outta me are Radical Christians. These nutjobs will push the button because God told them too.

Every single one of these nutjobs said God told them to run. Now, if that alone don't scare you , nothing will.

Using a guy from TV with 19 , 20 kids as a plus to his campaign, are you friggin joking.

That clown using kids like poker chips should be charged with Child Abuse.

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Re-read it and you are right. Apologies for the fast and sloppy read. My bad.

I am going to say this...It's possibly that Santorum is in the closet.

It always seems that the conservatives that are most vocal about other people's sexual preference have some underlying resentment going on.

Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Larry Kraig, Bob Allen, Glen Murphy just to name a few..

www.badmouth.net...

It just seems to me that the conservatives who spend all there time POed about other people being openly gay have some issues when you scratch the surface.