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Maybe they're not warning us, maybe WE are creating it!!! (9/11, 7/7, etc.)

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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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I was reading through the thread - The Mystery of Operation Blackjack and the op was mentioning how TPTB like to insert clues and hints or warnings into media and popular culture of events that are to happen. Such events are:

- 9/11 with the lone gunman episode, and a variety of others - Video Thread

- 7/7 on the panorama episode (here)

Those are the two main events that I know of but there are more hints about more generic things such as mind control, police state, being submissive, one world government etc. that can be explored in further detail here



Point of this Thread

The premise that I see alot is that TPTB have to warn us about these events for them to clear their conscience of it, or to warn their friends, or to make sure their karma isnt screwed up etc.

I really dont know why they would do it, as I am not one of them, but I would like to propose a different perspective, one that I have never seen mentioned before, for your consideration, which is:

That they warns us/hint at these events ahead of time, so that we can first to help create it, and second subconsciously accept it and allow it to happen



Now I am a big proponent of the Law of Attraction, i think it is very widely misunderstood and people need to do more research then simply watching the secret in order to have an accurate view on it.

Lets take some basic understandings to be true -

1. What you focus on becomes your reality
2. 95% of your behaviour is controlled by the subconscious mind
3. Your subconscious beliefs are the only ones that truly matter because they are the only ones you really believe
4. Your core beliefs are created when you are in a different brain vibration/frequency



Explanation:

1. Whatever you focus on in your mind becomes your reality, many people i try to tell this too say the classic - "i think about and focus on getting more stuff (money, mates, cars, vacation, etc.) all the time", in actuality they dont they think they are but they are mistaken because they are thinking of the lack of it, second i always get that people dont want to take the time to try it - "this law of attraction thing takes too long",

ya no really, when we live in a society where you can get anything you want from a store instantly thats 5 minutes away, or where you can watch videos from anywhere you are instantly from your phone, a society based on instant gratification now, then of course your going to be impatient, of course your not going to want to wait, of course delayed gratification is going to seem highly unpleasant to you, but notice that your reality never really changes, except for when you go through some type of drama and "force" the change in your life (or you attract outside circumstances), because your constantly focused on lack and constantly focused on the reality that you have now and how its going to continue. Also your genetic make up and how your body functions is made up by your perception (or focus) of the outside world (or your beliefs about the world) - The Biology of Perception

My Point: Im trying to give a defence that what we focus on does get attracted into our lives, even if you are having a hard time believing this, just pretend to believe and my overall point may make alot more sense later in the post



2. 95% of your behaviour is controlled by your subconscious, read the book - The Biology of Belief
Think about it, what is your personality if not a combination of a bunch of habits, habits are controlled by the subconscious, you do them without even thinking. Most peoples lives are just a state of living zombieism, where they pay attention only when there is a really good reason to - like going to a party, or being in a stressful situation or the act of drinking lol, your subconscious takes care of the rest

My Point: this helps the case of number 1, if 95% of our behaviour is controlled by our subconscious, that means that our subconscious is in control of us, our thoughts and our inner focus 95% of the time. So therefore dont think that just because you are focusing on something with your conscious that its going to be your reality, all your subconscious programming comes into account as well



3. Your subconscious beliefs are the only ones that truly matter because they are the only ones you really believe - one of the best books on this subject is Psycho-Cybernetics

This book basically explains how a plastic surgeon saw peoples entire personality change for the better when he made improvements to the features they wanted changed. For example a guy who thinks his nose is too big and is very shy, becomes an extremely extroverted and sociable individual once he fixes his nose, it also goes the other way where the surgeon would fix a persons ears that were too big and now they are of the right size but the person can see no change whatsoever, even when shown before and after pictures, they still believe their ears are just as bad as they were before

The surgeon explains how he stared researching neuroscience and psychology and found that a persons subconscious beliefs about how they see themselves is what makes up a persons personality and their limitations

Even going so far as to explain that when weightlifters who could lift hundreds of pounds were hypnotized into believing they couldn't lift a pencil, physically could not lift the pencil from the table,

My Point: You may be able to tell yourself that you believe something new or are changing your beliefs, but unless your subconscious changes its belief with you, then your not really going to believe it. And consider this by the time you are an adult all the core beliefs that you have about yourself and the world have already been established... more on this in the next paragraph




4. Your core beliefs are created when you are in a different brain vibration/frequency

As it is explained in this video - The Psychology of Change, and has been confirmed to me by friends studying neuroscience at different ages in our lives our brains function at different frequencies. For example from 6 - 12 we are within the Alpha state, which I'm sure most of you know is the best time that our brains can learn, it is said that Baroque Classical music puts our minds in this state, thats why students listen to it while studying etc.

Basically it is explained that there are 4 main periods of our lives which is: 0-2, 2-6, 6-12, 12 and up, the best way to explain it would be to use a construction example:

0-2 is where the foundation is laid
2-6 is where the supporting columns are put up
6-12 is the skeleton of the whole structure
12 and up is where the outside and decorations are made

This is why it is so hard for people to change, if someone was say a simple townhouse and they wanted to be a condo building for example, changing the positioning of the door, the types of brick used, the drywall etc. will never get you there

you need to start from the foundation and go from there,

Continued...




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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very nice, so far.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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Well, if we were in a police state, they would of have already taken my niece and sister to the insane asylum. Hasn't happened yet, so I doubt were there yet. Either that, or they just want to torture me some more.

I"m actually starting to feel sorry for the officers. They're probably like, OMG, EVERY DAY WITH THIS KID, that's what I'm saying to myself too. Don't feel bad.

They came over tonight, and I was sitting there eating my dinner, I was like "carry-on"




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by pocketsando
very nice, so far.


Acknowledging Godwin's Law, but risking it for such a broad topic such as this, I'm sure 6 million people didn't subconsciously think about being put in concentration camps or being killed because of who they are.

On a lighter note...many people subconsciously think they will be famous, but out of billions and billions of humans on this Earth, very few are remembered throughout history.

Some people just refuse to believe that this world is wholly and beautifully / tragically unpredictable. We could have world peace or complete destruction tomorrow, and nobody would know.

I'm sure every living thing on this planet never subconsciously thought how totally they would be forgotten, regardless of how much they said, what they wrote, who they helped, or what they did.

By the way, this sounds depressing but it is not.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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I can tell you one thing, my sister and niece live in fantasy land.
Bringing them to reality, is another job all in itself.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:53 PM
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Continued...

Do you notice that adults go through the biggest changes after going through periods of self destruction, like for example when a relative dies or emotional trauma or losing their jobs,

they basically destroy their building or sense of self, down and in that time are able to make some more drastic changes

but this occurrence is uncommon and doesnt happen often, as adults we are in the beta state, meaning we are now basically set to be who we are not too much major change is going to happen in this state, unless you can get your brain to work at different frequencies and change it from there (psych-k, hypnosis, NLP, etc.)


My Point: we are put in school, we are exposed to formal education, we have the influence of our parents, society, authority figures, now we have TV and as we all know, TV is not a natural occurrence of nature and is a great way to give out information, (im sure it also changes our brain frequencies too but i dont know enough about that to comment), Kids these days watch tons of television, hell everyone these days watch alot of TV, we are being programmed constantly from birth by the people who control the biggest industries in the world as to what our beliefs are, how we grow up, who we become, and how we react to the outside world.


So now that we have established the four beliefs that i have laid forth:

1. What you focus on becomes your reality
2. 95% of your behaviour is controlled by the subconscious mind
3. Your subconscious beliefs are the only ones that truly matter because they are the only ones you really believe
4. Your core beliefs are created when you are in a different brain vibration/frequency


I will attempt to explain how TPTB may be using the hints and clues to manipulate us (note: i am not an expert in any of the fields i have talked about, all knowledge is from an accumulation over a long period of time from general interest)




The Whole Point Explained:

Imagine this scenario:

We have some sort of bio/magnetic field (aka aura, chi, etc.), which is being proven scientifically, that not only encompasses individual bodies but lets also assume the entire earth, like a collective human bio/magnetic field,(think of the movie "Avatar")

Side Info: It is believed that our bio/magnetic fields are created by our subconscious minds, this makes sense if we consider that our subconscious mind controls most of our bodily functions, how our genes and dna is set up and our behaviour. (ps. the subconscious mind "thinks" in terms of feelings or emotions)

Now in order for large events that affect many people or where many people die to be created artificially there needs to be a build up of momentum or focus (remember our focus makes our reality, same in the collective sense of the whole human race)

TPTB want these events to occur to their liking, so how do they engineer things so that they can create it anytime they want and effectively have real control?

Here is one possible scenario:

They indoctrinate us from a young age (ie formal education starting from kindergarden) to grow up a certain way. Sure everyone is allowed to keep their preferences, what kinds of foods they like, what they do on their spare time, what job they want to get etc.

But what they do is implant core simple beliefs about the world and about ourselves (see the movie Inception for a fun hollywood example of implanting ideas/beliefs) in order to control us and be able to affect change in us when they pull certain triggers (related to monarch programming)

Now people may be asking at this point, what the hell are these subconscious beliefs?

I dont know what they are at this point but im sure you can guess (im going to be doing my utmost to figure it out)

just look at what most people in our society share in beliefs

have you ever taken the subway, ever noticed that no one is smiling, no one is talking, everyone looks depressed... hmmmm i wonder what beliefs were implanted to have that effect

Why is it that many people feel anxious or nervous when facing authority figures?

Why is it that you walk around tensing your forehead, hands, shoulders, neck, etc. all the time, i bet most of you didnt even notice that you do it, take notice of it now, what beliefs or subconscious programs are causing us to be so tense and stressed?

even people who appear to be happy all the time have these negative subconscious programs going on, and trust me the amount that we have are inexhaustible

imagine the build up of watching the news everyday, hearing all the horrible things that people do, we start to develop a belief that humans are monsters, that the world isnt safe, and because thats what we focus on, well what comes about?

So then the Elites use triggers like certain wording in movies or popular tv shows that many people watch,

Continued...



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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There are vast differences between conscious thoughts, sub-conscious thoughts, and things NEVER thought by an individual.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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Have you considered the possibility (in actuality the fact) that both 9/11 and 7/7
were faked events?
9/11 Was Faked
7/7 Fake Terror

If this is really the case (it is!), how does it fit into your theorising?

I believe they inform us beforehand to later encourage any and all dark conspiracies of
government complicity among investigators, keeping the terror levels high and keeping
the majority chasing their tails for years.

Faking these events (including victims obviously) is not a crime.

Think anything at all, but don't think Fakery!



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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I personally believe these triggers are not obvious, i think they are very subtle and affect us at the very base of our emotions/subconscious

the difference is that maybe when they need a specific event to happen they give out hints that are more specific to that event like the ones we saw along with the other triggers


these triggers could affect feelings or patterns like - I am a victim, I am scared, The world is a scary place, Bad things happen in the world, I enjoy watching destruction (as long as im not a part of it) etc.


Imagine thousands of people running globally destructive programs in their subconscious without even realizing (i like to argue that we are a very logical society whom dont place much emphasis on inner feelings) that they are building a momentum of this negative energy that then gets directed to the target of TPTB's choosing, first they insert and trigger programmings that make us accept the world they created (or to want to accept it example im a victim of outside circumstances) then they activate negative programs that direct attention towards their goal (or they have them running constantly to build up a huge momentum, examples are believing that destructive things happen, believing that terrorists could attack at any moment, that the country is likely to be attacked etc. ) and then they activate triggers that direct that momentum towards a specific desired outcome (9/11)

in effect its like a different type of weapon but instead of using missiles or bombs or lasers, its using the will, energy and focus of populations to carry out events in certain ways all through the process of programming us and then triggering our programs for their needs, maybe this is what was used to start the momentum of wars like world war 1 and 2, maybe not


but i do think this can be related very well to the matrix movies:

- The machines create a fake world through the use of programs running in our subconscious minds, but we still technically have freewill within their system,
- We all make the choice to accept their world or not, even if we arent conscious of the choice
- The machines use humans to gather their "energy" in order for them to be able to live and feed their needs!!!!!
- Whenever the machines need to make big changes in the matrix they can simply change programs that run in the environment and in people in order to fix or manipulate things to their liking


In Conclusion:

In the end I admit that I dont know much, all i was attempting to do is offer a new perspective and create some stimulating conversation. I dont know of what im saying is true, if its total nonsense or if its a bit of both, but is sure was fun as hell to write this and make people think a little about possibilities, i personally believe it to be true to some extent and will keep looking for evidence of it,

You on the other hand can believe whatever you want to, its your right, just make sure its your belief, and one of theirs






EXTRA ENDING:

I wanted to add that a Neuroscience student friend of mine directed me towards a neuroscientist named Michael Persinger from Laurentian university, I just recently read a study he conducted where he basically proved that two people in separate rooms can influence each others minds. He used very basic tests by showing how an effect to a person in one room (ie a flashing light that caused a certain brainwave pattern) which was witnessed in the second person in the other room at about the same time,

some would conclude that its their bio magnetic fields interacting with one another, the same way that maybe the collective human one does

who really knows



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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No respected scientist would do an experiment like that and draw conclusions like that. They would need many volunteers and a very controlled environment. Even after that, they would do it again, and again.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by SubPop79

Acknowledging Godwin's Law, but risking it for such a broad topic such as this, I'm sure 6 million people didn't subconsciously think about being put in concentration camps or being killed because of who they are.


I dont know too much about Godwin or whatever laws he has but i can say that if we consider the entire war as a large momentum building of negative programming and therefore focus and energy then it no longer becomes solely about the individual, there are many factors to consider

lets say that hitler first started rounding up a few jews, then there was a silent panic among the other jews which made them focus on how dangerous Germany was getting for their kind, then things became more dangerous because all jews were basically rounded up and put in camps, this could (COULD this is all speculative just for possibilities sake) have caused many people to be focusing on how scared they were, how terrible their circumstance is, how anxious they are about their fate, this caused a build up of massive negative momentum towards the people who were captured because of the negative things they were focusing on, which then caused them to start being killed off, also consider the huge negative momentum of the war fighting and massive killing

and consider that the groups targeted are the people who are historically known for being a victimized race (jews, gypsies, gays etc.) a large momentum of victim belief could have made it so that they became the targets

there are just so many factors to consider.




On a lighter note...many people subconsciously think they will be famous, but out of billions and billions of humans on this Earth, very few are remembered throughout history.


really they do, and how would you know,

maybe they consciously say they want to be famous, but subconsciously many of these people never have been famous, they would most likely have no subconscious programming telling them that it is possible or that they actually can do it, or that they are famous people,

many of these people focus on the lack of famousness which brings more of it, or they dont focus for long enough time to build a proper momentum, or they have other subconscious programs that hinder their ability to become famous that has nothing to do with fame whatsoever, again there are so many factors to consider especially when dealing with the worlds most complicated machine.




I'm sure every living thing on this planet never subconsciously thought how totally they would be forgotten, regardless of how much they said, what they wrote, who they helped, or what they did.

By the way, this sounds depressing but it is not.



OK let me try to clarify this,

your reality is determined by your focus, if your dead what focus do you have,

if you answered none then you are correct,

then why would they be remembered past their time, they are no longer an influence

they focused on being famous, they were famous while they were alive and thats that, there are also different levels of famousness, local, national global, etc.

and there are time frames, some people get famous and find that they dont like the attention and no longer want it,

and yet a few others want to be remembered for all eternity so their reality goes towards actions that have the best possible chance of making them be remembered for a long time

Everyone dies and is eventually forgotten yes!

people had their time to create here when they were alive, and when their time is over, their mission to create (their realities) is over, they do not need to be remembered, now its time for new being to continue the creation process and thus the cycle of life and death,

memories are just encoded bits of electrical information written down on a piece of flesh in our heads, is it really that important that we are remembered

and no not depressing at all



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by SubPop79
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No respected scientist would do an experiment like that and draw conclusions like that. They would need many volunteers and a very controlled environment. Even after that, they would do it again, and again.



it was done with 6 volunteers, and it was repeated many times

it was also a preliminary study i believe, like an experiment to gather enough evidence that this kind of experiment was worth looking into on a bigger scale




posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by tankthinker

Originally posted by SubPop79

Acknowledging Godwin's Law, but risking it for such a broad topic such as this, I'm sure 6 million people didn't subconsciously think about being put in concentration camps or being killed because of who they are.


I dont know too much about Godwin or whatever laws he has but i can say that if we consider the entire war as a large momentum building of negative programming and therefore focus and energy then it no longer becomes solely about the individual, there are many factors to consider

lets say that hitler first started rounding up a few jews, then there was a silent panic among the other jews which made them focus on how dangerous Germany was getting for their kind, then things became more dangerous because all jews were basically rounded up and put in camps, this could (COULD this is all speculative just for possibilities sake) have caused many people to be focusing on how scared they were, how terrible their circumstance is, how anxious they are about their fate, this caused a build up of massive negative momentum towards the people who were captured because of the negative things they were focusing on, which then caused them to start being killed off, also consider the huge negative momentum of the war fighting and massive killing

and consider that the groups targeted are the people who are historically known for being a victimized race (jews, gypsies, gays etc.) a large momentum of victim belief could have made it so that they became the targets

there are just so many factors to consider.




Ok, I see that. Good point. But think of how many people thought the war would never affect them.

Consciousness, subconsciousness...all just seems like a viscous cycle to me. No offense.
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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I think you are on to something big here.

If the subliminal imagery was done in context maybe with some psychological triggers that cause everyone who see's it too make it happen in the super conscience. That would be really effective and very powerful mojo.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by LoneGunMan
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I think you are on to something big here.

If the subliminal imagery was done in context maybe with some psychological triggers that cause everyone who see's it too make it happen in the super conscience. That would be really effective and very powerful mojo.



i know could you just imagine, its like the entire population being tools for their engines

and think of all of the "all seeing eye" symbolism thats in media, if we consider the theory i have presented in this thread, what programs is that symbol creating/triggering/maintaining?

I think that if we traced back certain core indoctrinations from our youth that we are all subject to (vaccinations, certain tv shows that are really popular [wasnt there an all seeing eye in the nickleodeon page] or even classroom curriculum) we could start to see a map of how things came together and how they influence our subconscious,

pretty interesting stuff



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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And just a little more evidence that our energy effects things outside ourselves!!!


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Very interesting!!!
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